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The Failed Messiah Crusades

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
By the first century A.D., the Jews were looking for strong, magnetic leaders who could deliver them from the wrath of the Roman Empire. The Essenes developed the idea of a messiah figure that would provide this. Several Jewish leaders were set to take over after the death of the Jewish King Herod, who primarily worked for the Romans. To qualify as a messiah, someone needed to be from the bloodline of King David. None of the descendants of King David and their misled disciples succeeded, and most were killed.

While these messiah figures drew support from the claim they descended from King David, wherein Judaic tradition did this claim that Davidic pedigree was necessary to become a Messiah come from? When King David ruled Israel (circa 10th century B.C.E.), the conviction arose that his progeny would “rule forever, not only over Israel but also over all the nations”.

One that stands out is a former slave of King Herod by the name of Simon of Perea. Simon was the first heretical Jew who managed to convince a large portion of the Jews that he was the King of Jews and Jehova's Messiah. When the Roman Empire caught wind of this they dispatched military units to put an end to this claim. They would eventually corner and behead Simon in 4 B.C.

Anthronges was another deified Messiah who waged a serious war against the Roman Empire and also lost. Next came Yeshua the Nazarene. Proclaiming himself king of the Jews, Yeshua was eventually hunted down and crucified. Oddly enough, Yeshua was far from a warrior, would never be able to lead men in battle or control the logistics of a military campaign. Had King David met Yeshua, he would have been greatly disappointed with the gentle ideas of this self-proclaimed messiah.

New Testament scholar, Bart Ehrman, eloquently stated:
"To call Jesus the messiah was for most Jews completely ludicrous. Jesus was not the powerful leader of the Jews. He was a weak and powerless nobody—executed in the most humiliating and painful way devised by the Romans, the ones with the real power.”

After Yeshua there came a dozen other Messianic campaigns, none of which are publicized by the Abrahamic faith, and all of which ultimately failed. Theudas in 58 C.E., Menachem ben Judah ben Hezekiah, Simon ben Kosevah, Moses of Crete, Abu Isa, Al-Ra'i" ("the shepherd of the flock of his people"), Saüra the Syrian, to name a few.

Ultimately, there has never been a true Jewish messiah because they all failed in their missions and were killed by the Romans. Yeshua (Jesus) failed as a messiah and stood in a long line of failed messiahs.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
But there's no debate . . . it's strictly a Left Hand Path thing. Why would you move it where it doesn't belong?
I'm struggling to see why its uniquely left handed? Maybe I missed something as a newer left handed practitioner but it's not a specific thing to left handed paths.
Note: not a mod. But maybe they struggled to see it too.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I'm struggling to see why its uniquely left handed? Maybe I missed something as a left handed practitioner but it's not a specific thing to left handed paths.
Note: not a mod.
Welp, it demonstrates that 1) Christianity is false 2) the Messiah idea didn't originate with Yeshua 3) that Christianity has attempted to fool people into believing in their idea under false pretenses.

White Magic (Alsihr al'Abyad) is the effort to deceive the consciousness. This type of magic embraces not only all conventional religions but all pagan or nature-worship ideologies as well. Efforts to deceive the consciousness into believing that it has been accepted into the objective universe through some form of Deity.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Welp, it demonstrates that 1) Christianity is false 2) the Messiah idea didn't originate with Yeshua 3) that Christianity has attempted to fool people into believing in their idea under false pretenses.

White Magic (Alsihr al'Abyad) is the effort to deceive the consciousness. This type of magic embraces not only all conventional religions but all pagan or nature-worship ideologies as well. Efforts to deceive the consciousness into believing that it has been accepted into the objective universe through some form of Deity.
I can see that it comes from someone's view in the LHP. But it has points that are better suited in an open debate. Part of that being there are those in the LHP that may take issues with what you just stated above. There are Setians, theistic Satanists and of course myself (among many misfits) a Diabolist and dark pagan and into demonolatry.

There are things you and I could certainly agree upon and hopefully we will.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Welp, it demonstrates that 1) Christianity is false 2) the Messiah idea didn't originate with Yeshua 3) that Christianity has attempted to fool people into believing in their idea under false pretenses.
That sure sounds debatable to me. ;)
I believe that Jesus was 'a Messiah' but I do not believe that He was 'the Messiah' that the Jews have long awaited since He did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.

Christians believe that Jesus is going to return and fulfill those unfulfilled prophecies but they have a slight problem; Jesus said His work was finished on earth and He was no longer in the world.
(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)

I believe that the Messiah the Jews were waiting for was Baha'u'llah who was the return of Christ and who came to complete the work that Jesus started.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
That sure sounds debatable to me. ;)
I believe that Jesus was 'a Messiah' but I do not believe that He was 'the Messiah' that the Jews have long awaited since He did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.

Christians believe that Jesus is going to return and fulfill those unfulfilled prophecies but they have a slight problem; Jesus said His work was finished on earth and He was no longer in the world.
(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)

I believe that the Messiah the Jews were waiting for was Baha'u'llah who was the return of Christ and who came to complete the work that Jesus started.
You can of course believe whatever you want, the facts remain as I stated in my article. The entire messianic concept and the dying/resurrection idea came long before Yeshua. They are tools of the Abrahamic faiths.

What evidence is there that Baháʼu'lláh was a messiah? What prophecies did he fulfill?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
By the first century A.D., the Jews were looking for strong, magnetic leaders who could deliver them from the wrath of the Roman Empire. The Essenes developed the idea of a messiah figure that would provide this. Several Jewish leaders were set to take over after the death of the Jewish King Herod, who primarily worked for the Romans. To qualify as a messiah, someone needed to be from the bloodline of King David. None of the descendants of King David and their misled disciples succeeded, and most were killed.

While these messiah figures drew support from the claim they descended from King David, wherein Judaic tradition did this claim that Davidic pedigree was necessary to become a Messiah come from? When King David ruled Israel (circa 10th century B.C.E.), the conviction arose that his progeny would “rule forever, not only over Israel but also over all the nations”.

One that stands out is a former slave of King Herod by the name of Simon of Perea. Simon was the first heretical Jew who managed to convince a large portion of the Jews that he was the King of Jews and Jehova's Messiah. When the Roman Empire caught wind of this they dispatched military units to put an end to this claim. They would eventually corner and behead Simon in 4 B.C.

Anthronges was another deified Messiah who waged a serious war against the Roman Empire and also lost. Next came Yeshua the Nazarene. Proclaiming himself king of the Jews, Yeshua was eventually hunted down and crucified. Oddly enough, Yeshua was far from a warrior, would never be able to lead men in battle or control the logistics of a military campaign. Had King David met Yeshua, he would have been greatly disappointed with the gentle ideas of this self-proclaimed messiah.

New Testament scholar, Bart Ehrman, eloquently stated:
"To call Jesus the messiah was for most Jews completely ludicrous. Jesus was not the powerful leader of the Jews. He was a weak and powerless nobody—executed in the most humiliating and painful way devised by the Romans, the ones with the real power.”

After Yeshua there came a dozen other Messianic campaigns, none of which are publicized by the Abrahamic faith, and all of which ultimately failed. Theudas in 58 C.E., Menachem ben Judah ben Hezekiah, Simon ben Kosevah, Moses of Crete, Abu Isa, Al-Ra'i" ("the shepherd of the flock of his people"), Saüra the Syrian, to name a few.

Ultimately, there has never been a true Jewish messiah because they all failed in their missions and were killed by the Romans. Yeshua (Jesus) failed as a messiah and stood in a long line of failed messiahs.
You are free to believe what you want.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
How do you believe someone who you have never seen, never heard or never read anything he wrote?
Because God arise from within us and through spiritual practice Gods wisdom awakening within those who practice teaching given to us. Faith does not need to see physical "evidence"
I speak only how my understanding is, not how oth may see it or understand it.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Because God arise from within us and through spiritual practice Gods wisdom awakening within those who practice teaching given to us. Faith does not need to see physical "evidence"
I speak only how my understanding is, not how oth may see it or understand it.
Perennial philosophy is the understanding that all the world's right hand path religions share a single, universal doctrine. This doctrine posits that the highest good that human life can achieve is through the union with a Supreme Being / Energy of the Universe. The way in which this is achieved is through the deception of one's conscious awareness into believing that one has been accepted by this Supreme Being.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Yeshua (Jesus) failed as a messiah and stood in a long line of failed messiahs.
So you say, but it is irrefutable that He is the only one that is still glorified and His followers went on to change the world in His name. No other human being can claim to have such an impact on history. What a "failure". If only I could fail like Him. Merry Christmas!
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Perennial philosophy is the understanding that all the world's right hand path religions share a single, universal doctrine. This doctrine posits that the highest good that human life can achieve is through the union with a Supreme Being / Energy of the Universe. The way in which this is achieved is through the deception of one's conscious awareness into believing that one has been accepted by this Supreme Being.
To become one with God, one has to let go of the Ego/self and all attachments one holds to this physical world, in my understanding
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
To become one with God, one has to let go of the Ego/self and all attachments one holds to this physical world, in my understanding
If you think anyone is capable of a selfless act, you are gravely mistaken.


"The ego is the center of consciousness, whereas the Self is the center of the total personality, which includes consciousness, the unconscious, and the ego. The Self is both the whole and the center. While the ego is a self-contained little circle off the center contained within the whole, the Self can be understood as the greater circle"
_______________________
Carl Jung
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Not only did Yeshua fail as a messiah, but obviously his sheeple have failed to recognize his deception. Numbers have never made something true.
Ego, in and of itself is the balance between Id (reptilian/animal/instinctual) and Superego (inflated, megalomania, delusion of grandeur). A balanced, contained Ego is desired. Where the Ego can fail is when it is not Individuated. It then becomes the reflection of our false-self and not our True-Self, and becomes a projection of our compulsions and our shadows. The Western Left Hand Path is not to give up on or surrender the Ego, also not to overly focus on Ego, but to synchronize, synthesize, and expand Ego to reflect our Greater Self.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Not only did Yeshua fail as a messiah, but obviously his sheeple have failed to recognize his deception. Numbers have never made something true.
That's nice. You're still spending your time thinking of Him instead of the other failures. Lol. Peace to you.
 
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