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The Foreboding Merger of State Power and Tech

Secret Chief

Vetted Member
"...a world where the interests of select technology companies become indistinguishable from US government policy..."

"...for democratic nations outside the US, this power shift threatens their very ability to govern digital spaces..."

"...we're witnessing a systematic dismantling of the research infrastructure studying these very issues..."

"...Does a country want to hand its media infrastructure over to individuals who've shown careless disregard for the platforms they already control?"

"...AI may be viewed more as a tool to replace federal workforce labor than a technology requiring careful oversight"

- On the Coming Merger of Tech and State Power | TechPolicy.Press

Thoughts? (When I say "thoughts" I mean actual thoughts, not blithe dismissal by magas).
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
"...a world where the interests of select technology companies become indistinguishable from US government policy..."

"...for democratic nations outside the US, this power shift threatens their very ability to govern digital spaces..."

"...we're witnessing a systematic dismantling of the research infrastructure studying these very issues..."

"...Does a country want to hand its media infrastructure over to individuals who've shown careless disregard for the platforms they already control?"

"...AI may be viewed more as a tool to replace federal workforce labor than a technology requiring careful oversight"

- On the Coming Merger of Tech and State Power | TechPolicy.Press

Thoughts? (When I say "thoughts" I mean actual thoughts, not blithe dismissal by magas).
Too bad. Your whole thread is there just to trash Trump and Elon Musk in addition to your hatred of MAGA. Your not fooling anyone.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
"...a world where the interests of select technology companies become indistinguishable from US government policy..."

"...for democratic nations outside the US, this power shift threatens their very ability to govern digital spaces..."

"...we're witnessing a systematic dismantling of the research infrastructure studying these very issues..."

"...Does a country want to hand its media infrastructure over to individuals who've shown careless disregard for the platforms they already control?"

"...AI may be viewed more as a tool to replace federal workforce labor than a technology requiring careful oversight"

- On the Coming Merger of Tech and State Power | TechPolicy.Press

Thoughts? (When I say "thoughts" I mean actual thoughts, not blithe dismissal by magas).

From the movie "Enemy of the State" (1998)


  • Brill : The government's been in bed with the entire telecommunications industry since the forties. They've infected everything. They get into your bank statements, computer files, email, listen to your phone calls... Every wire, every airwave. The more technology used, the easier it is for them to keep tabs on you. It's a brave new world out there. At least it'd better be.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
"...a world where the interests of select technology companies become indistinguishable from US government policy..."

"...for democratic nations outside the US, this power shift threatens their very ability to govern digital spaces..."

"...we're witnessing a systematic dismantling of the research infrastructure studying these very issues..."

"...Does a country want to hand its media infrastructure over to individuals who've shown careless disregard for the platforms they already control?"

"...AI may be viewed more as a tool to replace federal workforce labor than a technology requiring careful oversight"

- On the Coming Merger of Tech and State Power | TechPolicy.Press

Thoughts? (When I say "thoughts" I mean actual thoughts, not blithe dismissal by magas).


From Robert Reich today:

No one better illustrates the sinister consequences of great wealth turned into unaccountable power than Elon Musk.​
Musk, the richest person in the world, is not only claiming presidential authority to fire federal workers, but he’s posting the identities of those whose jobs he wants to eliminate — with the clear intention that his followers harass and threaten them so they quit.​
Musk is utterly unaccountable. He has never been elected to anything, but he spent $120 million helping Trump become the president-elect and is now acting as if he’s Trump’s co-president, calling himself Trump’s “First Buddy.”​
...In recent days, Musk boosted posts on his website singling out the names and job titles of four federal employees working in climate policy and regulation who have done nothing other than hold titles Musk dislikes. All four targets are women.​
In one instance, Musk quote-tweeted a post highlighting the role of 37-year-old Ashley Thomas, a little-known director of climate diversification at the U.S. International Development Finance Corporation.​
Musk’s repost — “So many fake jobs” — garnered 32 million views, triggering a tsunami of taunts against Thomas, such as, “Sorry Ashley Thomas Gravy Train is Over” and “A tough way for Ashley Thomas to find out she’s losing her job.”​
Musk apparently took the word “diversification” in Thomas’s title to mean the “D” in “DEI,” which Musk considers “woke.”​
Thomas (who holds degrees in engineering, business, and water science from Oxford and MIT) is focused on climate diversification to protect agriculture and infrastructure from extreme weather events.​
Following Musk’s tweet, Thomas shut down several of her social media accounts....​
America spends less each year on the federal government’s civilian workforce (roughly $200 billion) than we spend annually on federal contractors ($750 billion).
Much of the “fat” is found in these private, for-profit contractors, who aren’t accountable to anyone except the office that draws up the contracts.​
The biggest waste is in the Defense Department, where many contractors have avoided competitive bidding because they have a monopoly over critical technologies.​
Which brings me back to Musk, whose businesses are fast becoming among the government’s largest contract monopolists. According to USASpending.gov (the government database that tracks federal spending), Musk’s SpaceX and his Starlink satellite division have signed contracts totaling nearly $20 billion.​
I don’t know how much waste and inefficiency are to be found in Musk’s government contracts because I haven’t been able to find any reports on them — which is precisely the problem.​
While Musk seeks to intimidate federal civil servants whose job titles he dislikes, forcing some to leave government because his postings have elicited threats to their lives, Musk is distracting attention from himself and his own profitable dips into the taxpayer trough.​
 

Secret Chief

Vetted Member
From Robert Reich today:

No one better illustrates the sinister consequences of great wealth turned into unaccountable power than Elon Musk.​
Musk, the richest person in the world, is not only claiming presidential authority to fire federal workers, but he’s posting the identities of those whose jobs he wants to eliminate — with the clear intention that his followers harass and threaten them so they quit.​
Musk is utterly unaccountable. He has never been elected to anything, but he spent $120 million helping Trump become the president-elect and is now acting as if he’s Trump’s co-president, calling himself Trump’s “First Buddy.”​
...In recent days, Musk boosted posts on his website singling out the names and job titles of four federal employees working in climate policy and regulation who have done nothing other than hold titles Musk dislikes. All four targets are women.​
In one instance, Musk quote-tweeted a post highlighting the role of 37-year-old Ashley Thomas, a little-known director of climate diversification at the U.S. International Development Finance Corporation.​
Musk’s repost — “So many fake jobs” — garnered 32 million views, triggering a tsunami of taunts against Thomas, such as, “Sorry Ashley Thomas Gravy Train is Over” and “A tough way for Ashley Thomas to find out she’s losing her job.”​
Musk apparently took the word “diversification” in Thomas’s title to mean the “D” in “DEI,” which Musk considers “woke.”​
Thomas (who holds degrees in engineering, business, and water science from Oxford and MIT) is focused on climate diversification to protect agriculture and infrastructure from extreme weather events.​
Following Musk’s tweet, Thomas shut down several of her social media accounts....​
America spends less each year on the federal government’s civilian workforce (roughly $200 billion) than we spend annually on federal contractors ($750 billion).
Much of the “fat” is found in these private, for-profit contractors, who aren’t accountable to anyone except the office that draws up the contracts.​
The biggest waste is in the Defense Department, where many contractors have avoided competitive bidding because they have a monopoly over critical technologies.​
Which brings me back to Musk, whose businesses are fast becoming among the government’s largest contract monopolists. According to USASpending.gov (the government database that tracks federal spending), Musk’s SpaceX and his Starlink satellite division have signed contracts totaling nearly $20 billion.​
I don’t know how much waste and inefficiency are to be found in Musk’s government contracts because I haven’t been able to find any reports on them — which is precisely the problem.​
While Musk seeks to intimidate federal civil servants whose job titles he dislikes, forcing some to leave government because his postings have elicited threats to their lives, Musk is distracting attention from himself and his own profitable dips into the taxpayer trough.​
Thank you for such an extensive (albeit depressing post). The most obviously disgraceful fact here is that public servants are being threatened and are losing their jobs because they are .... doing valuable and important jobs.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
"...a world where the interests of select technology companies become indistinguishable from US government policy..."

"...for democratic nations outside the US, this power shift threatens their very ability to govern digital spaces..."

"...we're witnessing a systematic dismantling of the research infrastructure studying these very issues..."

"...Does a country want to hand its media infrastructure over to individuals who've shown careless disregard for the platforms they already control?"

"...AI may be viewed more as a tool to replace federal workforce labor than a technology requiring careful oversight"

- On the Coming Merger of Tech and State Power | TechPolicy.Press

Thoughts? (When I say "thoughts" I mean actual thoughts, not blithe dismissal by magas).


From your link, the prologue to your first OP line:

"First, the relationship between tech companies and Washington is transforming into something we haven't seen before."

I think this is important. What we've seen before is President Eisenhower's warning about the military-industrial complex. But in that farewell address he also said, "The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist." And it has persisted. But now, it's transforming into something we haven't seen before... "AI governance."

This is the stuff of 1984. Thanks for posting.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Thank you for such an extensive (albeit depressing post). The most obviously disgraceful fact here is that public servants are being threatened and are losing their jobs because they are .... doing valuable and important jobs.

Steve Bannon and Project 2025 are all about "deconstructing the administrative state." They want to burn the democratic process down, and put in its place an illiberal machine of dominance. It is depressing, yes. But it can also be a call to action.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thoughts? (When I say "thoughts" I mean actual thoughts, not blithe dismissal by magas).
Let's see how that works out. Here's post #2:
Your whole thread is there just to trash Trump and Elon Musk in addition to your hatred of MAGA. Your not fooling anyone.
You're projecting your simplistic, kneejerk, and emotional method of dealing with information. You had no interest at all in the implications of the OP.

As for trying to fool anyone, did you think that that was his purpose? His writing was expository, not editorializing, but I suspect that he has the same contempt for Trump, Musk and MAGA as any other informed person with a social conscience.

The MAGA mind is different than the humanist mind. It's the difference between reactive and contemplative, between critical thought applied to evidence and faith-based thought.

But hey, you and tens of millions who think just like you succeeded in turning your government over to such monsters. You "won." Now you and all of your neighbors get to enjoy the fruits of your victory.

What do you expect the likelihood that your life will improve under Trump? You probably expect pennies to start raining from heaven soon, but maybe you've guessed incorrectly.

Either your life and theirs will be getting better very soon, or maybe worse. Maybe there's greatly improved purchasing power, a new car and a world cruise in your future now, or maybe worsening inflation and diminished purchasing power.

Maybe government will serve you more and better or the opposite. Maybe your FEMA disaster relief check will grow or diminish. Maybe Biden's infrastructure improvement package will be allowed to flourish or maybe that bridge renovation project that would have been coming to your town will be scuttled.

Let's see what you bought. The suspense is killing me. Please send pictures.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Steve Bannon and Project 2025 are all about "deconstructing the administrative state." They want to burn the democratic process down, and put in its place an illiberal machine of dominance. It is depressing, yes. But it can also be a call to action.
How long until Musk is given the job of creating an AI program that targets any criticism of Trump on the internet? Could it find RF and create a fake memberships and create fake content? Could it find a way to hack RF and delete posts by members like me? Would anyone be surprised?

And if Musk hacks RF it can find out who we are, and how long before we non-MAGAs get audited by the IRS? Would anyone be surprised? Would our MAGA friends care that we are targeted and they aren't? They most likley will get a laugh out of it. Of course we rational members won't be posting anymore so we won't see their glee. And they will have the forum to themselves and tire quickly that their fake outrage doesn't go anywhere.
 
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anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
How long until Musk is given the job of creating an AI program that targets any criticism of Trump on the internet? Could it find RF and create a fake memberships and create fake content? Could it find a way to hack RF and delete posts by members like me? Would anyone be surprised?

And if Musk hacks RF it can find out who we are, and how long before we non-MAGAs get audited by the IRS?

Look to China:

"They can track people over time, their movements through a city"

 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry, but I read like half of that, and I'm confused on what you want comments on.. I just don't believe that there really is any technology in the history of humankind, that hasn't ultimately influenced governance, from the neolithic onward. And with all this 'digital space' technology, I think one would really have to be in that field, to know where the progress is going to direct itself, and to understand what is at stake exactly. And I think that maybe it's all going one direction anyway. Take the the 'neurolink' thing for example. I kind of think that either it will be that thing that develops, or something that does the same thing, so that in 100 years it won't really matter.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
"...a world where the interests of select technology companies become indistinguishable from US government policy..."

"...for democratic nations outside the US, this power shift threatens their very ability to govern digital spaces..."

"...we're witnessing a systematic dismantling of the research infrastructure studying these very issues..."

"...Does a country want to hand its media infrastructure over to individuals who've shown careless disregard for the platforms they already control?"

"...AI may be viewed more as a tool to replace federal workforce labor than a technology requiring careful oversight"

- On the Coming Merger of Tech and State Power | TechPolicy.Press

Thoughts? (When I say "thoughts" I mean actual thoughts, not blithe dismissal by magas).
You are assuming the current Government bureaucracy is efficient and optimize already. That is not the case, due to what the DNC did to the Agencies, which was to subcontract the making of laws and regulations away from Congress and give it to the Agencies; Chevron Deference. All the Agencies became self serving and could be used politically, while buffering the crooks in Congress, would could get their way and not have to vote and be accountable.

For example, the Pentagon has failed to pass the last seven audits, to show where their funding goes. They are no longer accountable, since nothing happens. They are not the only one, but rather they are part of the new status quo, that the Supreme Court finally said was not Unconstitutional. Only Congress can make laws, which due to the extreme work load, will by default, reduce the rate of regulations. The Agencies over did it for their growth model; more rules means more people and more money. For example $200 billion was stolen from the COVID Fund and nobody is held accountable. This is the perfect Government you pine about?

COVID has been over for several years and half the Government still work from home, while the tax payers still pay rent on unoccupied work space for all these remote government workers who no longer use it. Who is in charge and why is there no change? The change is coming and will be more like an efficient business that is streamlined so it serves the people and not just itself.

A good business is customer centric since they know this is who pays them the money, that pays the bills. The $200 billion stolen from the COVID fund by the corrupt Government is like IBM given the customer the finger. We the customers have the right to boycott them and take them out. This is what will happen, due to the tax payer customer mandate, to make them more accountable and customer; tax payer, centric. This is good, since the customer is always right.

Luckily for us, Trump and MAGA believe in free speech, so digital spaces will be made fair and not like the DNC allowed in 2020, sending in FBI goons to impose censorship and politicize the bureaucracy. That was/is very dysfunctional.
 
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