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The Future: Humans

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Future of Humanity: about 1,000 years from now

Some of the things you have offered will be accurate, some of the things you said, will not be. We could explore the list to see which are most likely to unfold, to the least likely, if you wish.

Regards Tony
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Why then, if not now?
Good question. Because that is the Will of God which was prophesied in the Holy Scriptures.

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

“The Day is approaching when God will render the hosts of Truth victorious, and He will purge the whole earth in such wise that within the compass of His knowledge not a single soul shall remain unless he truly believeth in God, worshippeth none other God but Him, boweth down by day and by night in His adoration, and is reckoned among such as are well assured.”
Selections From the Writings of the Báb, pp. 153-154

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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
So do you think it is possible that all the believers in the world will become atheists?
What evidence is there that indicates that is likely to happen?

Not if everyone is a believer.


In exactly the same way you believe all the atheists will become believers.

But consider the last 100 years, information is more freely available, it is far easier to access and education now teaches students to enquire, not simply to accept the rote. And atheists have gone from being executed as heretics to one of the fastest growing groups in the world. What makes you think education will return to rote learning, what makes you think information will no longer be freely available?
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Not if everyone is a believer.
You mean if everyone is a believer in the same religion?
I predict that there will be a time when only one religion exists. That will be when the last but one religious person dies (or deconverts).
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
So do you think it is possible that all the believers in the world will become atheists?
What evidence is there that indicates that is likely to happen?

Not if everyone is a believer.

Is it possible that all the world will become atheists? No.

What evidence is there? It's already happened, just not in your time.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
So do you think it is possible that all the believers in the world will become atheists?
No, but you shouldn't discount the power of scientific materialisim, either. It presents us with an altnernative mythology that is continually defeating traditional religion. It's narrative form, like religion's, is the epic: evolution of the universe from the big bang, origin of elements and stars and planets, down to the beginnings of the evolution of life on earth, for example.

More importantly we have come to a time in the history of biology when religion itself is subject to the explanations of natural science, and sociobiology can account for the very origin of mythology by the principle of natural selection acting on the genetically evolving material structures of the human brain. (I am riffing on thoughts by Edward O. Wilson from his book On Human Nature).

If this is correct, then eventually scientific naturalism, using its capacity to explain traditional religion (its chief competitor) as a wholly natural phenomenon, will spell the end of theology as an independent intellectual exercise. But that won't stop religion! That will go on for a long time as a vital force, because the spiritual weakness of scientific naturalism has no such primal source of power. It can explain the biological sources of religious emotional strength, but it can't draw on them -- because the evolution epic denies immortality to the individual and suggests only an existential meaning for our species.

Humanists and atheists won't ever enjoy the hot pleasures of spiritual conversion and self-surrender. Even though, for all the importance we give the idea, nobody can actually explain what the dickens "spirituality" really is. So for those who think it's something, religion will always be meaningful, and who cares about theology. For those who suppose that real "spirituality" is about understanding our connection to "all that is," without supposing that includes being able to continue beyond our natural deaths, religion will still never have any real meaning.
 
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Super Universe

Defender of God
That does not answer my question..
How do you know all if this? Are you Jesus?

Am I Jesus? Nope. No way. I don't wear sandals with robes, slippers maybe but never sandals. Jesus allowed the primitives to crucify Him. No way they are going to take me down that easily. I don't play the sheep amidst the wolves routine.

I'm human, just not human like you or anyone else.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
No, but you shouldn't discount the power of scientific materialisim, either. It presents us with an altnernative mythology that is continually defeating traditional religion. It's narrative form, like religion's, is the epic: evolution of the universe from the big bang, origin of elements and stars and planets, down to the beginnings of the evolution of life on earth, for example.

More importantly we have come to a time in the history of biology when religion itself is subject to the explanations of natural science, and sociobiology can account for the very origin of mythology by the principle of natural selection acting on the genetically evolving material structures of the human brain. (I am riffing on thoughts by Edward O. Wilson from his book On Human Nature).

If this is correct, then eventually scientific naturalism, using its capacity to explain traditional releigion (its cheif competitor) as a wholly natural phenomenon, will spell the end of theology as an independent intellectual exercise. But that won't stop religion! That will go on for a long time as a vital force, because the spiritual weakness of scientific naturalism has no such primal source of power. It can explain the biological sources of religious emotional strenght, but it can't draw on them -- because the evolution epic denies immortality to the individual and suggests only an existential meaning for our species.

Humanists and atheists won't ever enjoy the hot pleasures of spiritual conversion and self-surrender. Even though, for all the important we give the idea, nobody can actually explain what the dickens "spirituality" really is. So for those who think it's something, religion will always be meaningful, and who cares about theology. For those who suppose that real "spirituality" is about understanding our connection to "all that is," without supposing that includes being able to continue beyond our natural deaths, religion will still never have any real meaning.

Religions never give the world new ideas. God does not work through them. No religious leader has ever been given revelation. All of the prophets revealed NEW ideas that changed established religions and THEN they became religious leaders.

Spirituality is freedom to believe in God without having to subjugate yourself to primitive human religious leaders control, rules, and rituals. It's believing in God without having to give someone money.

You don't know this yet but science is going to prove the existence of God.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Religions never give the world new ideas. God does not work through them. No religious leader has ever been given revelation. All of the prophets revealed NEW ideas that changed established religions and THEN they became religious leaders.

Spirituality is freedom to believe in God without having to subjugate yourself to primitive human religious leaders control, rules, and rituals. It's believing in God without having to give someone money.

You don't know this yet but science is going to prove the existence of God.
Yes, I'm already accustomed to believers making immense, yet woefully unsubstantiated, claims like that. Still waiting for the one that impresses me as having something useful to say.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Spirituality is freedom to believe in God without having to subjugate yourself to primitive human religious leaders control, rules, and rituals. It's believing in God without having to give someone money.

I see that is not the future. In fact the opposite of those thoughts will be the way we choose.

We will submit to our elected bodies in full humility.
We will embrace the rules given.
We will partake of worship how we were asked to do, not how we choose to do.
We will freely give our wealth to family friends community, world projects and the poor and needy.

Regards Tony
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
You mean if everyone is a believer in the same religion?
I predict that there will be a time when only one religion exists. That will be when the last but one religious person dies (or deconverts).
That is not what I meant, although I believe the time will come when there is only one religion.
?? What do you mean by That will be when the last but one religious person dies (or deconverts).
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Goodness what if in a thousand years somebody really does unfreeze Walt Disney?

Its hard to think about humanity surviving that long, because we've go so much technical power. I think though that our technical power will fade as we run out of resources. That gives us a chance.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
That is not what I meant, although I believe the time will come when there is only one religion.
?? What do you mean by That will be when the last but one religious person dies (or deconverts).
Scientifically minded people (which is not synonymous with atheistic but a good approximation) tend to consent and unity. They debate endlessly but eventually come to a scientific consensus.
Religious people tend to diversity. There are 41,000+ sects in Christianity alone and there is no attempt to unite.
Atheism is growing rapidly in developed countries and will grow in the rest of the world once they reach the same level of development.
Extrapolated that means that fewer and fewer people will be religious in more and more sects.
Until there are only two believers in different sects.
 
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