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The greatest hiding place

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
The power of God is with you at all times; through the activities of mind,

senses, breathing, and emotions; and is constantly doing all the work
using you as a mere instrument.”
n –The Gita

“When we lose sight of the central element in Christian holiness, which
is love, and when we forget that the way to fulfill the Christian
commandment to love is not something remote and esoteric, but is on the
contrary something immediately before us, then the Christian life
becomes complicated and very confusing.”
-Thomas Merton

5. Jesus said, “Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you
will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.
[And there is nothing buried that will not be raised.]”
–Gospel of Thomas

“Do what is in front of you.”
–Mother Teresa

“The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.”
–Gandhi

One day as Manjusri stood outside the gate,
the Buddha called to him,
“Manjusri, Manjusri, why do you not enter?”
Manjusri replied,
“I do not see myself as outside. Why enter?”

The greatest hiding place is always before us. In plane view. Nothing is hidden, God will never leave our side. This much is clear. I think Merton is alluding to this “universal” truth. It is only when we lose sight, close our eyes, forget…that we step away from love. Love will always be there, it is up to us to awaken to this….
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
It is only when we lose sight, close our eyes, forget…that we step away from love. Love will always be there, it is up to us to awaken to this….
I totally agree with you.

Although for this last part i would point to Gnostic mythos, which suggests that through the actions of Yaldaboath we are born with our eyes shut, born into ignorance.
From this POV it makes it that much harder to overcome the veil of ignorance, seeing as we have never actually had our eyes open before.

Good post Mr. Cheese. :)
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
I totally agree with you.

Although for this last part i would point to Gnostic mythos, which suggests that through the actions of Yaldaboath we are born with our eyes shut, born into ignorance.
From this POV it makes it that much harder to overcome the veil of ignorance, seeing as we have never actually had our eyes open before.

Good post Mr. Cheese. :)


The Demi urge only exists if we allow it to.....focusing on the Demi urge to my mind is as foolish as saying "the Devil made me do it"

There is no Demi Urge unless we allow there to be.
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
The Demi urge only exists if we allow it to.....focusing on the Demi urge to my mind is as foolish as saying "the Devil made me do it"

There is no Demi Urge unless we allow there to be.
Ah, not a Gnostic of the classical persuasion then? ;)
 

Hema

Sweet n Spicy
The greatest hiding place is always before us. In plane view. Nothing is hidden, God will never leave our side. This much is clear. I think Merton is alluding to this “universal” truth. It is only when we lose sight, close our eyes, forget…that we step away from love. Love will always be there, it is up to us to awaken to this….


To me the greatest hiding place is within us. That endless source of love is within. It is the greatest hiding place because when people are looking for it, they will most often look outside instead of going within.

I agree that it is up to us to awaken this. Our true nature is that of peace, love and joy. We fail to realize it because we become so caught up in the material world and we live in total body consciousness. We forget who we really are.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Ah, not a Gnostic of the classical persuasion then? ;)

yes and no

I look to all sources.

from a public domain intepretation of Gosp of Thomas:

6)
His disciples questioned him and said to him,
“Do you want us to fast?
How shall we pray?
Shall we give alms?
What diet shall we observe?”
(14)
Jesus said to them,
“If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves;
and if you pray, you will be condemned;
and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits.
When you go into any land
and walk about in the districts,
if they receive you,
eat what they will set before you,
and heal the sick among them.
For what goes into your mouth will not defile you,
but that which issues from your mouth
-it is that which will defile you.”
(6 cont.)
Jesus said,
“Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of heaven.
For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered.”
There is no standard “cookbook recipe” or
“regimen” to acquire Knowledge. This differs
from a school where devotees must all follow
the same prescribed path to Enlightenment.
Joseph Campbell points out that this idea of
everyone finding their own way, appears in
the search for the Holy Grail, as told by
Wolfram von Eschenbach, where everyone
must “enter the forest” at a different point,
which they, themselves, must choose.
This obviously differs from following a specified “path”. As J.C. would say: “Follow your bliss”.
from Reflections on the Art of Living
A Joseph Campbell Companion
Selected and Edited by Diane K. Osbon,
1991, HarperCollins
“When the world seems to be falling apart,
the rule is to hang onto your own bliss.
It’s that life that survives.”

to be a Gnostic one must not be a Gnostic. I think it is a fundamental mistake of many modern "Gnostics" that they take the demi urge or Yal literally. Samael the blind god (yall, demi urge, satan) to mind is like anger. Anger only exists if you allow yourself to be angry.

If one examines the Gnostic texts taking the idea of Yal literally as many seem to want to do is a mistake.

Jesus saw some little ones nursing. He said to his disciples, “These little ones who are nursing resemble is those who enter the kingdom.” They said to him, “So shall we enter the kingdom by being little ones?” Jesus said to them, “When you (plur.) make the two one and make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside and the above like the below, and that you might make the male and the female be one and the same, so that the male might not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye and a hand in place of a hand and a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image - then you will enter [the kingdom].” –Gospel of Thomas 22

Thomas 22 shows us balance. Worship neither the manifest or the unmanifest. Worship both the manifest or the unmanifest.

“Thou must love God as not-God, not-Spirit, not-person, not-image,
but as He is, a sheer, pure, absolute One, sundered from all two-ness,
and in whom we must eternally sink from nothingness to nothingness.”
- Meister Eckhart

A certain king of this world had a beautiful fig garden. In this garden he had growing some beautiful and ripe figs. In his kingdom were living two men which he had neglected. They were a blind man and a lame man.
One night, the lame man conspired with the blind man to steal into the garden and help themselves to some of these figs. Leading the blind man to him with a rope, the lame man climbed upon his back, and acted as the eyes for the blind man. In this way, the two men managed to get into the garden, and eat the figs growing therein.

When the king discovered that his figs were missing, he went to the blind man and asked him how such a thing could happen. The blind man responded by saying; “How could I have done this, I who cannot see?” Then the king went to the lame man and asked of him the same question. The lame man responded by saying; “How could I have done this, I who cannot walk?”
The king then put the lame man on the blind mans back, and demonstrated how the two had worked together to accomplish there goal, and they were unable to deny it. It is in this way that the body is connected to the soul, and the two will be judged by what both have done, and endure no separate judgment.
–Apocryphon of Ezekiel (The lame and blind men in the garden)




Ultimatly Gnosticism despite the insistance of outsiders is not dualistic (mostly lol) . So classcial Gnostic? yes and no...

Light and Darkness, life and death, right and left, are brothers of one another. They are inseparable. Because of this neither are the good good, nor evil evil, nor is life life, nor death death. For this reason each one will dissolve into its earliest origin. But those who are exalted above the world are indissoluble, eternal.

Names given to the worldly are very deceptive, for they divert our thoughts from what is correct to what is incorrect. Thus one who hears the word "God" does not perceive what is correct, but perceives what is incorrect. So also with "the Father" and "the Son" and "the Holy Spirit" and "life" and "light" and "resurrection" and "the Church (Ekklesia)" and all the rest - people do not perceive what is correct but they perceive what is incorrect, unless they have come to know what is correct. The names which are heard are in the world [...] deceive. If they were in the Aeon (eternal realm), they would at no time be used as names in the world. Nor were they set among worldly things. They have an end in the Aeon.

--Goespel of Philip
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
To me the greatest hiding place is within us. That endless source of love is within. It is the greatest hiding place because when people are looking for it, they will most often look outside instead of going within.

I agree that it is up to us to awaken this. Our true nature is that of peace, love and joy. We fail to realize it because we become so caught up in the material world and we live in total body consciousness. We forget who we really are.

For a "Gnostic" the inside is as important as the outside. Yet neither are important. Much like the Isa Upanishad, the Gnostic perspective is transcendance. Unite opposites and find a 3rd whole. Mother+father = CHILD....

9
Into a blind darkness they enter who are devoted to ignorance (rituals); but into a greater darkness they enter who engage in knowledge of a deity alone.


11
He who is aware that both knowledge and ignorance should be pursued together, overcomes death through ignorance and obtains immortality through knowledge.
12
Into a blind darkness they enter who worship only the unmanifested prakriti; but into a greater darkness they enter who worship the manifested Hiranyagarbha.


14
He who knows that both the unmanifested prakriti and the manifested Hiranyagarbha should be worshipped together, overcomes death by the worship of Hiranyagarbha and obtains immortality through devotion to prakriti.


not my fave translation but.....
 
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