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The growing repudiation of NBC's hiring of former RNC chair Ronna McDaniel

Colt

Well-Known Member
And MSNBC hosts lie all the time.

The just expose her lies, make her look like a fool.

So is every politician and media host on a lot of networks including MSNBC

This site says that claims made on MSNBC are 66% half true to completely false. So you claiming MSNBC has ethical standards is dubious at best.

American media is mostly an arm of the (D) party!
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Well NBC better get their lawyers primed because there will be a civil suit headed their way in the very near future.
Will the suit be filled with lies like all of her public statements are?

Its confusing that a biased (D) media outlet even hired her to begin with!
Oh yeah, if it's a democrat is has to be wrong. Why? Because republicans are always correct, even when they lie about it.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
American media is mostly an arm of the (D) party!
Well that is the only side that values ethics and honesty. I suggest that wil change when republicans start siding with Liz Cheney over Trump. As long as Trump is the head of the party, it will be a party of deplorables with no values.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
And MSNBC hosts lie all the time.
Based on your right wing bias? I'm not convinced you are correct. Look how often you post incorrect media items and beliefs.
The just expose her lies, make her look like a fool.
We all know she lies. NBC surely hoped to bring in more conservatives with her hiring and did not think things through. No doubt they looked at how moderate Michael Steele is after he was RNC leader, and perhaps assumed she would do the same. He never lied like she did.
So is every politician and media host on a lot of networks including MSNBC
Broad brush. Over-generalization.
This site says that claims made on MSNBC are 66% half true to completely false. So you claiming MSNBC has ethical standards is dubious at best.

Interesting that FOX is getting worse after their lawsuits.

Your assessment is harsh while the headline saysMSNBC and CNN is improving. MSNBC has many diverse hosts, including republicans, who appeal to a diverse audience and many divisive issues. I can see how some hosts feel personally harmed by right wing extremism and make comments that push back on this extremism.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
And MSNBC hosts lie all the time.

The just expose her lies, make her look like a fool.

So is every politician and media host on a lot of networks including MSNBC

This site says that claims made on MSNBC are 66% half true to completely false. So you claiming MSNBC has ethical standards is dubious at best.

@Clizby Wampuscat , Check your dates, that is from 2015.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Well NBC better get their lawyers primed because there will be a civil suit headed their way in the very near future.
Yup contract law makes for some strange arguments. We will see whose lawyers are/were better.
Applies to everybody not just political people.
Probably settled out of court for some $amount that is ultimately cheaper than the lawyers to continue arguing.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Based on your right wing bias? I'm not convinced you are correct. Look how often you post incorrect media items and beliefs.

We all know she lies. NBC surely hoped to bring in more conservatives with her hiring and did not think things through. No doubt they looked at how moderate Michael Steele is after he was RNC leader, and perhaps assumed she would do the same. He never lied like she did.

Broad brush. Over-generalization.

Interesting that FOX is getting worse after their lawsuits.

Your assessment is harsh while the headline saysMSNBC and CNN is improving. MSNBC has many diverse hosts, including republicans, who appeal to a diverse audience and many divisive issues. I can see how some hosts feel personally harmed by right wing extremism and make comments that push back on this extremism.
So 66% of claims were found to be half truths to false statements and that is ok with you?
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
@Clizby Wampuscat , Check your dates, that is from 2015.
So what, do you think they are better now? They falsely reported on the steele dossier, the 2016 election results, Abrams defeat, Covid vaccines and mask efficacy, refuse to air Trump speeches, etc. since 2015.

 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Fox News, is killing all the other stations, almost combined.

Because all too many people don't want objective news-- they want to be nursed and told that they're "cute little conservatives".
The reality is that a great many conservatives have left and are still leaving the "cult of Trump" that now is Republican Party and also what Fox and NewsMax are.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
So 66% of claims were found to be half truths to false statements and that is ok with you?
No. But I didn’t see any breakdown on who was the least reliable or what was false.

I also want to know if they include guests who might have an interest in lying. I’ve seen interviews with some guests who were obviously not being honest. But they need to be interviewed and asked questions.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
I look at the NBC talking head temper tantrum, as due to their deep insecurity. Even one highly intelligent Conservative among a gang of Liberal talking heads, will create a panic. Ronna McDaniel was a former RNC Chair, with a Chairmen from either major political party, having to be a very qualified person and known team builder. They were afraid of her taking their jobs, by her inclusion, potentially altering the NBC format, if she was a draw; far more interesting and balanced shows.

NBC is no longer a leader in news, but is more about opinion and propaganda that panders to Liberal bias; Reality TV news. The brass at NBC saw its market share as declined and flat, and figured if they can add a bright Right wing woman, they could start to balance their station, and return to the old days of doing news, instead of reality TV news. That former format worked well during the hate Trump days, but times have changed, with Biden in office and Trump given radio silence.

Fox News, is killing all the other stations, almost combined. It pivoted from just being very Right wing, to having many Left wing contributors, that are given free rein to express their views in panel discussions. This is drawing new audience share, with FOX dominating. More people, like the Independents want to learn from both sides. Fox will also spend more time on human interest stories, like the recent bridge collapse in Baltimore. The Trump hate fest is getting old, and more people would prefer to get back to the old days of real news that is neutral concern.

The talking head staff at NBC prefers to hang onto glory days and remain in the past catering to a niche audience, who can be sold anything anti-Trump. They do not wish the competition from a smart woman, who if successful and liked, could change the NBC format; more in the middle. Fake new personalities may loose jobs, seeing Mc Daniel would be the smartest person on the station, and may eventually get the top time slots.

This almost nervous breakdown reminded me of the change to computers in the work space back on early 2000's. The Unions were up in arms thinking that the revenge of the robots was at hand; loss of union dues. But as everyone got use to it, it was not as bad as the bogeyman,, they had imagined. There was nothing to fear but fear itself. In the case of NBC, the fear spread and the actors union, and brass at NBC and DNC decided staying flat was best for now. NBC is still a prisoner for now.
Ad populum fallacy.
In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument which is based on claiming a truth or affirming something is good because many people think so.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
So what, do you think they are better now? They falsely reported on the steele dossier, the 2016 election results, Abrams defeat, Covid vaccines and mask efficacy, refuse to air Trump speeches, etc. since 2015.

Did you not read this? It’s terrible for your case. It’s highly biased.
 
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Pogo

Well-Known Member
Here it is again, if you want to say it is wrong, provide evidence and reason.
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Colt

Well-Known Member
Because all too many people don't want objective news-- they want to be nursed and told that they're "cute little conservatives".
The reality is that a great many conservatives have left and are still leaving the "cult of Trump" that now is Republican Party and also what Fox and NewsMax are.
PMSMSNBC objective????
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
No. But I didn’t see any breakdown on who was the least reliable or what was false.

I also want to know if they include guests who might have an interest in lying. I’ve seen interviews with some guests who were obviously not being honest. But they need to be interviewed and asked questions.
This may answer your questions, guests claims were not fact checked only pundits or paid talent.

 
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