The Holy Trinity and John 17:3

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ING - Even a basic Strong's also says nature.

And Thayer's Greek Definitions adds - (through the idea of adjustment of parts.) So we are not talking a God form - which you folks are claiming. It literally means a morphing into the NATURE of God. Note I highlighted the same in your text. It in no way means God form (as in Jesus is God.) It means morphed into the nature of God.

Php 2:5 Let this same mindset/disposition/sentiment/opinion be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Php 2:6 Who, being in the nature of God, thought it not pillaging/an act of seizing, to be in agreement with/similar to, God:


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I believe Strong can say whatever he wants but we use the word morph to mean form these days. As in he morphed into a tiger. Nature means something different. It means that which is created. God is supernatural and that means the word nature is incorrect. The ASV translates it as equality with God. The following verse helps to explain this. It say that He emptied Himself. I believe that is not very likely. It is certainly the power of God that does the miracles. He certainly retains His authoritative approach as well. I believe what He left behind was His invulnerability. A human body is a frail thing and subject to many stresses. He could have changed that but chose to be like us.

 

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I believe Adam was not the first man created although he might be the first called human. I believe neither Adam nor Eve were perfect.

I believe Adam means human being.

We have Jewish stories of the first Adam/Human being both male and female, and thus having to be split apart by God, so they could procreate.

And of course we have -

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he.

Also, when you look at the meaning of the words used in the Bible, the story can be read that way, rather than a female being created from a male.

The word translated as rib - actually means half of something.

Human ribs have two sides. Boat ribs have two matching sides - or they collapse. Door posts (one of the meanings of the word) have to have two sides to work.

Strong's -

tsay-law', tsal-aw'

From H6760; a rib (as curved), literally (of the body) or figuratively (of a door, that is, leaf); hence a side, literally (of a person) ...

Also, 'echâd usually translated as just one, properly means united (one.)

So we can read it as YHVH drew forth a half from the united ONE, - Adam/human being, both male and female, - to create a separated mating pair.


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I believe Adam means human being.

We have Jewish stories of the first Adam/Human being both male and female, and thus having to be split apart by God, so they could procreate.

And of course we have -

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he.

Also, when you look at the meaning of the words used in the Bible, the story can be read that way, rather than a female being created from a male.

The word translated as rib - actually means half of something.

Human ribs have two sides. Boat ribs have two matching sides - or they collapse. Door posts (one of the meanings of the word) have to have two sides to work.

Strong's -

tsay-law', tsal-aw'

From H6760; a rib (as curved), literally (of the body) or figuratively (of a door, that is, leaf); hence a side, literally (of a person) ...

Also, 'echâd usually translated as just one, properly means united (one.)

So we can read it as YHVH drew forth a half from the united ONE, - Adam/human being, both male and female, - to create a separated mating pair.


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I believe the difference between God creating male and female and God creating the female from the male points out that there are two different creation events of which Adam and Eve are a later event.

I believe this makes a lot of sense since I believe Eve was created by cloning Adam. The "X" chromosome is enough to form a female using two of them. It wouldn't have worked well the other way around because the female would not have had a "Y" chromosome to create a male.

 

[Ingledsva]

I believe the difference between God creating male and female and God creating the female from the male points out that there are two different creation events of which Adam and Eve are a later event.

I believe this makes a lot of sense since I believe Eve was created by cloning Adam. The "X" chromosome is enough to form a female using two of them. It wouldn't have worked well the other way around because the female would not have had a "Y" chromosome to create a male.

There are not two different creation events.

Gen one says God created Adam - meaning a human being - (not a male) - which Gen 1:27 says was male and female in one.

We have ancient Hebrew texts with this exact story.

Gen 1:27 So God created ADAM/human being in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he.

The next story in Gen 2 is just an extension of the first - explaining how the Adam/human that was both male and female, - became separated so they could reproduce.

As for that X and Y chromosome - female is the default, - not male.

That Y is some kind of corruption/mutation.

"The Y chromosome is responsible for determining male gender in mammals. The Y chromosome contains the SRY gene, which is necessary for the development of the testes in males. Without this gene, no testes would develop and a fetus would grow into a female."

"The two sex chromosomes in humans are thought to have evolved from a pair of autosomes due to the presence of an allelic variation on one of the chromosomes in an ancestral mammal. The chromosome with the alteration became known of as the Y chromosome and the remaining autosome became the X chromosome. The Y chromosome slowly developed or acquired genes that were advantageous to males but not to females.

The Y chromosome spans approximately 58 million base pairs, contains 86 genes, and represents around 2% of the total DNA in a human male." http://www.news-medical.net/health/Y-Chromosome-Evolution.aspx

"The Y chromosome is considerably smaller than the X chromosome and has a much lower density of genes. In fact, the Y has often been called a "genetic junkyard." But there are a few rubies among the rubbish of that genetic junkyard: the Y chromosome contains the genes are essential for male fertility and other male characteristics."

The facts are that if there was no X in you - you would not exist. The greater density of genes that we NEED - are on the X.

"Why does the Y chromosome have so few functional genes? Evolutionary biologists are still debating the details but they agree that the lack of recombination explains the paucity of functional genes on the Y. Unlike the twenty-two pairs of autosomes, there is no recombination between the X and most of the Y chromosome. Genes on the part of the Y chromosome that does not recombine will be passed from father to son, down a paternal lineage, and will never be present in females. The lack of recombination weakens the effectiveness of natural selection to weed out bad variants and select for good ones. Over many millions of years mutations and random genetic drift erode the Y chromosome, turning it into a genetic junkyard. In contrast, genes on the X are present in both males and females; X chromosomes, like autosomes, recombine in production of female gametes." https://www.learner.org/courses/biology/textbook/gender/gender_2.html

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There are not two different creation events.

Gen one says God created Adam - meaning a human being - (not a male) - which Gen 1:27 says was male and female in one.

We have ancient Hebrew texts with this exact story.

Gen 1:27 So God created ADAM/human being in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he.

The next story in Gen 2 is just an extension of the first - explaining how the Adam/human that was both male and female, - became separated so they could reproduce.

As for that X and Y chromosome - female is the default, - not male.

That Y is some kind of corruption/mutation.

"The Y chromosome is responsible for determining male gender in mammals. The Y chromosome contains the SRY gene, which is necessary for the development of the testes in males. Without this gene, no testes would develop and a fetus would grow into a female."

"The two sex chromosomes in humans are thought to have evolved from a pair of autosomes due to the presence of an allelic variation on one of the chromosomes in an ancestral mammal. The chromosome with the alteration became known of as the Y chromosome and the remaining autosome became the X chromosome. The Y chromosome slowly developed or acquired genes that were advantageous to males but not to females.

The Y chromosome spans approximately 58 million base pairs, contains 86 genes, and represents around 2% of the total DNA in a human male." http://www.news-medical.net/health/Y-Chromosome-Evolution.aspx

"The Y chromosome is considerably smaller than the X chromosome and has a much lower density of genes. In fact, the Y has often been called a "genetic junkyard." But there are a few rubies among the rubbish of that genetic junkyard: the Y chromosome contains the genes are essential for male fertility and other male characteristics."

The facts are that if there was no X in you - you would not exist. The greater density of genes that we NEED - are on the X.

"Why does the Y chromosome have so few functional genes? Evolutionary biologists are still debating the details but they agree that the lack of recombination explains the paucity of functional genes on the Y. Unlike the twenty-two pairs of autosomes, there is no recombination between the X and most of the Y chromosome. Genes on the part of the Y chromosome that does not recombine will be passed from father to son, down a paternal lineage, and will never be present in females. The lack of recombination weakens the effectiveness of natural selection to weed out bad variants and select for good ones. Over many millions of years mutations and random genetic drift erode the Y chromosome, turning it into a genetic junkyard. In contrast, genes on the X are present in both males and females; X chromosomes, like autosomes, recombine in production of female gametes." https://www.learner.org/courses/biology/textbook/gender/gender_2.html

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I believe there are two different accounts. Supposition that they relate the same event has no basis. I believe a two creation view is supported by science since the second creation of Adam and Eve occurs around 5,000 BC but there is scientific evidence that humanoids have been around for a lot longer than that.