The Illuminati

[Viker]

There's something like that going on, but it doesn't necessarily have a name. Call it the deep state, if you will. At the end of the day, politicians are puppets.

Corporatism is another option to refer to as what is going on. Sort of the "deep state".

 

[Eddi]

There's something like that going on, but it doesn't necessarily have a name. Call it the deep state, if you will. At the end of the day, politicians are puppets.

I am a big believer in there being a kind of deep state

 

[Estro Felino]

Personally I make a distinction between a conspiracy and a plot

As I said before, I doubt there is a conspiracy - I would avoid that term due to its association with "conspiracy theory"

But there is totally a plot going on

Since conspiracy and plot are the same word in my language... I am lost...really.

 

[Viker]

I am a big believer in there being a kind of deep state

Corporatism. The collusion between organizations with money and a government. Rather they be parties, campaign funding, lobbyists, corporations, etc.

 

[Altfish]

Speaking of illuminati (the enlightened ones) enlighten me:
what does Novus Ordo Seclorum annuit coeptis means?

I failed Latin miserably; but it is something like ... new order ??? favoured ???

 

[Viker]

Since conspiracy and plot are the same word in my language... I am lost...really.

I thought you liked cabal.

 

[Viker]

I failed Latin miserably; but it is something like ... new order ??? favoured ???

New Order was a good band. Even if it was still Joy Division without their lead singer.

 

[Eddi]

New Order was a good band. Even if it was still Joy Division without their lead singer.

Closer is one of my favourite albums of all time

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't believe in conspiracy theories but it is evident that there is a class of elites who co-operate so as to effectively control world affairs

Within very limited parameters, that is.

And rather tentatively at that.

 

[Altfish]

New Order was a good band. Even if it was still Joy Division without their lead singer.

Saw their first gig proper, in Manchester.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am a big believer in there being a kind of deep state

Well, that definitely exists. It's basically the intelligence apparatus (what are called "spooks") and powerful special interest groups and individuals who tend not to be household names. You can look at highly secretive elite functions like the Bilderberg Group and super-powerful entities like Blackrock as examples.

 

[Viker]

Well, that definitely exists. It's basically the intelligence apparatus (what are called "spooks") and powerful special interest groups and individuals who tend not to be household names. You can look at highly secretive elite functions like the Bilderberg Group and super-powerful entities like Blackrock as examples.

Blackrock is a major player. They practically own damned near everything.

 

[Estro Felino]

I failed Latin miserably; but it is something like ... new order ??? favoured ???

The new world order has given its blessing to the initiated.

MDCCLXXVI = year 1776

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Saw their first gig proper, in Manchester.

Wow, so lucky! Substance is one of the best albums ever, even though it's a compilation. Now I have True Faith playing in my head, and I'm not mad at all.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The new world order has given its blessing to the initiated.

MDCCLXXVI = year 1776

That is not what "Novus Ordo Seclorum" means. It means "new order of the ages" and "annuit coeptis" means "He has favored our undertakings".

 

[Altfish]

The new world order has given its blessing to the initiated.

MDCCLXXVI = year 1776

Now Roman Numeral, I'm great at.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I hear that the illuminati decide who will be President is that true? I had heard from others here the Illuminati isn't real. Is it real?

Oh, is it the illuminati? I thought it was the Jews. Or maybe the Masons. Or the Lizard people. I lose track.

On a more serious note...The Illuminati really did exist a long time ago. They were an enlightenment era secret society in Bavaria. But they died out a long time ago. Despite the insistence of some people, there are no illuminati today.

The election will be decided by the electoral college, which assigns the choices of its delegates based on the election. Who people vote for is influenced by a great many factors. But there is no secret society of any name (or nameless) that manipulates the election.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well a guy who spoke to Michael Warnke who was a paster, Michael was a paster and speaker in the 1980s who claimed to be an ex devil worshipper and made it up .

He was the paster and said he did not believe he was an ex evil worshipper;; he said he did not believe Michael was telling the truth about that because when he asked him to explain what the illuminati was;

he said he had never heard of it. The Paster said he'd never heard of an ex Satanist who did not know what the illuminati was.

So I assume he thought the illuminati was connected to satanism.

There is no credible historical evidence linking the Illuminati to Satanism. The organization was founded in 1776, and was a secret society that aimed to promote Enlightenment values such as reason, secularism, and the separation of church and state. Their goals focused on challenging traditional authority, especially that of the Catholic Church and monarchy. The Illuminati disbanded in the 1780s due to governmental pressure. To be very honest, they don't seem like bad guys to me at all.

All this stuff about the Illuminati being Satanic is nothing more than people's overactive imaginations and paranoia. For someone to say "Joe over there couldn't really have been a satanist because he doesn't know about the illuminati" is just ridiculous.

 

[Estro Felino]

Now Roman Numeral, I'm great at.

What shocks me is that you mentioned the number...but you didn't care about the devastating phrase:
the new world order favors the initiated.

Freemasonic stuff on the dollars.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Speaking of illuminati (the enlightened ones) enlighten me:
what does Novus Ordo Seclorum annuit coeptis means?

It has absolutely nothing to do with the Illuminati.

The mottos Novus Ordo Seclorum (New Order of the Ages) and annuit coeptis (He [Providence] has favored our undertakings) were submitted by Charles Thomson, the secretary of the Congress of the Confederation. He took Novus Ordo Seclorum from a poem by Virgil. He wrote that the phrase signified "the beginning of the New American Era" Nothing at all nefarious.

Thomson presented these mottos for the Seal in 1782. If I'm not mistaken, the Illuminati (which were in Bavaria) disbanded in 1780. There is zero evidence that Thomson had been involved with that group, nor is there any evidence that the Illuminati used either of those mottos. He WAS a Freemason, which is an entirely different organization, also not nefarious.