The impending danger our governments put us in (IMO)

[stvdv]

The impending danger our governments put us in (IMO)

This is about masks

I don't know how it is in your country, but in my country they allow knitted masks, so to speak. IF you have a sheet of toilet paper this would be considered sufficient protection, so to speak of.

* I remember our PM speaking on TV, telling us it's sufficient if you make your own mask.
* All the shops are piled up with masks costing maybe 1 dollar for 10 masks

There used to be a time, the good old times, not that long ago, at the start of Corona virus, that people used their brains, that is my opinion of course, how I see it. There were masks that protect against a virus (having a number 95-99% on it), and there were masks that don't have that number, which means they won't protect you against a virus (to be more precise, they don't protect 99%, but maybe 30%, or more likely 10% or 1%, which boils down to something more like a Russian Roulette, if you ask me)

We have proof now, how difficult it is, to brainwash people into believing masks are needed and are effective; many people still even don't believe this

What now, if we get a really deadly virus/bacteria/bug with a death rate of lets say 100%, no exceptions due to a healthy immune system. We all know that there are labs in the world where they work hard, spending millions of dollars, in developing viruses or other small bugs to be used in warfare or terrorism. What if such a bug finds its way out of the lab into the real world; no imaginary Hollywood movie, but the real deal (like anthrax, smallpox ...?)
(Google spat out: As a biological weapon, anthrax has been used in biowarfare and bioterrorism since 1914.)

How do you tell people that their sheet of toilet paper won't work this time (except for wiping the **** from their arse, when the bug got them, creating diarrhea as a friendly starting symptom)? How long you guess it will take before they are using the mask that does protect? Or use other needed ways to protect? Re-educating people is not easy, especially when they know previous info was unreliable or worse, false.

Or do you believe that those masks they are selling in the supermarkets nowadays, are effective and efficient, and sufficient protection against a virus?

Note: Just a thought I had to contemplate on

 

[Secret Chief]

Of course not.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

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Or do you believe that those masks they are selling in the supermarkets nowadays, are effective and efficient, and sufficient protection against a virus?

Note: Just a thought I had to contemplate on

No, to the question. But that is not the point of them.

 

[oldbadger]

The impending danger our governments put us in (IMO)

This is about masks

I don't know how it is in your country, but in my country they allow knitted masks, so to speak. IF you have a sheet of toilet paper this would be considered sufficient protection, so to speak of.

* I remember our PM speaking on TV, telling us it's sufficient if you make your own mask.
* All the shops are piled up with masks costing maybe 1 dollar for 10 masks

There used to be a time, the good old times, not that long ago, at the start of Corona virus, that people used their brains, that is my opinion of course, how I see it. There were masks that protect against a virus (having a number 95-99% on it), and there were masks that don't have that number, which means they won't protect you against a virus (to be more precise, they don't protect 99%, but maybe 30%, or more likely 10% or 1%, which boils down to something more like a Russian Roulette, if you ask me)

We have proof now, how difficult it is, to brainwash people into believing masks are needed and are effective; many people still even don't believe this

What now, if we get a really deadly virus/bacteria/bug with a death rate of lets say 100%, no exceptions due to a healthy immune system. We all know that there are labs in the world where they work hard, spending millions of dollars, in developing viruses or other small bugs to be used in warfare or terrorism. What if such a bug finds its way out of the lab into the real world; no imaginary Hollywood movie, but the real deal (like anthrax, smallpox ...?)
(Google spat out: As a biological weapon, anthrax has been used in biowarfare and bioterrorism since 1914.)

How do you tell people that their sheet of toilet paper won't work this time (except for wiping the **** from their arse, when the bug got them, creating diarrhea as a friendly starting symptom)? How long you guess it will take before they are using the mask that does protect? Or use other needed ways to protect? Re-educating people is not easy, especially when they know previous info was unreliable or worse, false.

Or do you believe that those masks they are selling in the supermarkets nowadays, are effective and efficient, and sufficient protection against a virus?

Note: Just a thought I had to contemplate on

Yeah. Masks work.......
When I forget and put hand to face I am protected.
By wearing it I am reminded of social distancing and other rules.
That EVERYBODY I see is wearing one as well, this shows me how committed we all are, together.
I may be protected from nearby coughs and sneezes.
So Yes, I think those masks for sale in supermarkets are valuable at this time.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Perhaps I use a more upmarket supermarket but the masks I have seen are often three-layer ones (washable, and of which I have bought at least one), and as reasonably efficient as many apart from the 95% or 99% ones, and as such are just one part of the fight against the virus. If a virus did appear so as to be a true danger to humans I'm sure we would tighten our attitudes and our protection. Hopefully some are already working on such.

 

[ChristineM]

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The impending danger our governments put us in (IMO)

This is about masks

I don't know how it is in your country, but in my country they allow knitted masks, so to speak. IF you have a sheet of toilet paper this would be considered sufficient protection, so to speak of.

* I remember our PM speaking on TV, telling us it's sufficient if you make your own mask.
* All the shops are piled up with masks costing maybe 1 dollar for 10 masks

There used to be a time, the good old times, not that long ago, at the start of Corona virus, that people used their brains, that is my opinion of course, how I see it. There were masks that protect against a virus (having a number 95-99% on it), and there were masks that don't have that number, which means they won't protect you against a virus (to be more precise, they don't protect 99%, but maybe 30%, or more likely 10% or 1%, which boils down to something more like a Russian Roulette, if you ask me)

We have proof now, how difficult it is, to brainwash people into believing masks are needed and are effective; many people still even don't believe this

What now, if we get a really deadly virus/bacteria/bug with a death rate of lets say 100%, no exceptions due to a healthy immune system. We all know that there are labs in the world where they work hard, spending millions of dollars, in developing viruses or other small bugs to be used in warfare or terrorism. What if such a bug finds its way out of the lab into the real world; no imaginary Hollywood movie, but the real deal (like anthrax, smallpox ...?)
(Google spat out: As a biological weapon, anthrax has been used in biowarfare and bioterrorism since 1914.)

How do you tell people that their sheet of toilet paper won't work this time (except for wiping the **** from their arse, when the bug got them, creating diarrhea as a friendly starting symptom)? How long you guess it will take before they are using the mask that does protect? Or use other needed ways to protect? Re-educating people is not easy, especially when they know previous info was unreliable or worse, false.

Or do you believe that those masks they are selling in the supermarkets nowadays, are effective and efficient, and sufficient protection against a virus?

Note: Just a thought I had to contemplate on

I don't know. I came upon this awhile back, but can't find it now, a picture that showed six types of masks. Gas,mining, etc and compared to COVID paper masks saying the latter's it's effectiveness in comparison as the others.

I was at target and saw this

Now, that just tickled me pink. It's not that masks don't work it's they have their place.

As for the terrorism COVID conspiracy I don't know about that. I do feel there is some brainwash but mostly due to media and confirmation biases.

I don't know. People read into a lot more than what's said as is.

Edit. I saw a paramedic wear something like this when I was in an ambulance.

It kinda makes our paper and cloth mask look a bit less effective compared.

 

[sun rise]

Everyone wearing masks + distancing works for COVID especially when matched with being outdoors or being in a very well ventilated large room inside.

 

[stvdv]

I don't know. I came upon this awhile back, but can't find it now, a picture that showed six types of masks. Gas,mining, etc and compared to COVID paper masks saying the latter's it's effectiveness in comparison as the others.

I came across such an article too, quite a while ago. I remember that the usual covid masks were useless in case you have real danger (a variant of virus that kills off like 99% of the infected people instead of the ca. 2% covid killing percentage

Now, that just tickled me pink. It's not that masks don't work it's they have their place.

Indeed such a picture says more than any big science research

As for the terrorism COVID conspiracy I don't know about that. I do feel there is some brainwash but mostly due to media and confirmation biases.

Today I used the word brainwash in the literal sense; clean out wrong concepts (washing the brains). This OP was not related to conspiracy.

I don't know. People read into a lot more than what's said as is.

In cases like this, using common sense will protect you usually better than trusting others blindly

Edit. I saw a paramedic wear something like this when I was in an ambulance.

It kinda makes our paper and cloth mask look a bit less effective compared.

And that is what I would call an effective mask. IF they would make such ones mandatory, that I would call "New Normal extreme"

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

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Indeed such a picture says more than any big science research
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Yes, you don't wear a mask to protect yourself. You wear a mask to protect others, if you are contagious. There is science for that.

 

[stvdv]

Everyone wearing masks + distancing works for COVID especially when matched with being outdoors or being in a very well ventilated large room inside.

That is what some studies say today.

I will look back and compare stats in 5 years from now. I wonder how much science will change certain claims (or not)

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That is what some studies say today.

I will look back and compare stats in 5 years from now. I wonder how much science will change certain claims (or not)

Well, it is all a big lie. Everything in the news and on the Internet is a big lie. Even this is a part of the big lie. Trust nobody. Not even this.

 

[stvdv]

Well, it is all a big lie. Everything in the news and on the Internet is a big lie. Even this is a part of the big lie. Trust nobody. Not even this.

Most important for me is to trust and follow my own conscience. Might be off at times, but by doing so, I gradually improve this

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Most important for me is to trust and follow my own conscience. Might be off at times, but by doing so, I gradually improve this

Well, I understand you.

 

[stvdv]

Funny short (50sec) video, showing how not to wear a mask
Funny how the woman can't see the humor in this prank
(or maybe she was in on the prank, who knows)

https://twitter.com/pahealthdept/status/1299693285737484288?lang=en

 

[sun rise]

That is what some studies say today.

I will look back and compare stats in 5 years from now. I wonder how much science will change certain claims (or not)

When the pandemic first struck there was a lot of uncertainty and things changed rapidly.

As we've learned more the findings have become better established and stable. We know the primary cause of the spread - airborne droplets. We know the physics of how long they remain in the air. We know what kills the viruses. We know how the vaccines work. And so forth.

I'm sure we'll learn more but we know enough to understand how to deal with it as long as people are sensible (and that's the problem now).

 

[sun rise]

Well, it is all a big lie. Everything in the news and on the Internet is a big lie. Even this is a part of the big lie. Trust nobody. Not even this.

God forbid I ever distrust totally everything and spend my days not able to believe anything and everything for every single source no matter what. Because that means I would not be able to trust myself either. I find that state hellish.

 

[stvdv]

When the pandemic first struck there was a lot of uncertainty and things changed rapidly.

As we've learned more the findings have become better established and stable. We know the primary cause of the spread - airborne droplets. We know the physics of how long they remain in the air. We know what kills the viruses. We know how the vaccines work. And so forth.

I'm sure we'll learn more but we know enough to understand how to deal with it as long as people are sensible (and that's the problem now).

They knew all these things already with the Spanish Flu, I see ancient pictures, all people wearing a mask (with text that it was needed for the flu)

Seems Fauci and WHO forgot these facts, and needed to reinvent the wheel again

Let's hope they don't forget the knowledge they got from Covid 19

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Most important for me is to trust and follow my own conscience. Might be off at times, but by doing so, I gradually improve this

Unless it's a bomb watch that it may take a second to late to be skeptical, it's best to go off our own conscience.

 

[Heyo]

God forbid I ever distrust totally everything and spend my days not able to believe anything and everything for every single source no matter what. Because that means I would not be able to trust myself either. I find that state hellish.

"I want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible." - Matt Dillahunty.
Both are important. While the radical sceptic doesn't believe many false things (because he believes (almost) nothing), the radical gullible believer believes many true things (because he believes (almost) anything).
There are few things I am 100% sure of but there are a lot of things I am 99.995% convinced of. That's enough to get out of the bed in the morning without worrying if the ground will carry me today.
(And I just recently learned (again) that I can't trust my lying eyes with the pink shoe.)