The importance of a breakdown

[Geoff-Allen]

I thought that sounded like an interesting article when I received it in a recent email!

Here is a little taste -

"A breakdown is not merely a random piece of madness or malfunction, it is a very real, albeit very inarticulate, bid for health,” de Botton says. “It is an attempt by one part of our minds to force the other into a process of growth, self-understanding, and self-development, which it has hitherto refused to undertake."

If you want more, try clicking here -

https://www.mindful.org/the-importance-of-a-breakdown/

All the best!

 

[Ellen Brown]

Having had a very serious breakdown, and had the psychological community give completely inappropriate counsel, and prescribe mind altering drugs that made matters worse, I think you are better off to avoid those people.

 

[Geoff-Allen]

Having had a very serious breakdown, and had the psychological community give completely inappropriate counsel, and prescribe mind altering drugs that made matters worse, I think you are better off to avoid those people.

Fair enough - I guess the advice doesn't apply to absolutely every case.

It just resonated with me because I am profoundly different since a recent breakdown - better than I would have dared dream possible in fact.

Cheers.

 

[bobhikes]

I thought that sounded like an interesting article when I received it in a recent email!

Here is a little taste -

"A breakdown is not merely a random piece of madness or malfunction, it is a very real, albeit very inarticulate, bid for health,” de Botton says. “It is an attempt by one part of our minds to force the other into a process of growth, self-understanding, and self-development, which it has hitherto refused to undertake."

If you want more, try clicking here -

https://www.mindful.org/the-importance-of-a-breakdown/

All the best!

I would agree, if you can reconcile it. My breakdown shook my core beliefs but I was able to adapt and rebuild, with professional help and medicine. Some can never reconcile.

 

[Audie]

No breakdown here, but severe trauma,
ptsd stuff.

I am ok now, but it was far from easy and
the "professionals", yeah, have a way of
making things worse.

If you think how much harder and less
well developed psychological treatment
is compared to medical, it is not surprising.

Look at how often people are misdiagnosed,
not on strange rare diseases but common
maladies. The doctors are said to be
killing more Americans every year than
the guns are.

One thing to learn, for sure-IF there is a
problem, get second, third, fourth, etc
opinions!

We could do a long long thread on
people's bad experiences with malpractice.

 

[David T]

Jung addresses this directly but understanding Jung is not easy. Some people are predisposed to their neurology going off it ultimately is up to the individual to own it. Learn from it and grow. My view much of it is rooted in culture and manifests in certain individuals and most of them have become deeply detached whether they realize it or not from nature itself?herself?himself? I put that into a multiple framework because generally nature is an adult dead inert random magically created nonsense fed to us starting in first grade where books are God whether we realize it or not.

Hildegard debingen said "we cannot live in an interpreted world for an interpreted world is not home" most have no clue at all to what she is saying. Leave it to a 13th century mystic Saint nun to speak with clarity. Belief, non belief, agnosticism, is confusion and not healthy psychologically when it becomes extreme.

 

[David T]

No breakdown here, but severe trauma,
ptsd stuff.

I am ok now, but it was far from easy and
the "professionals", yeah, have a way of
making things worse.

If you think how much harder and less
well developed psychological treatment
is compared to medical, it is not surprising.

Look at how often people are misdiagnosed,
not on strange rare diseases but common
maladies. The doctors are said to be
killing more Americans every year than
the guns are.

One thing to learn, for sure-IF there is a
problem, get second, third, fourth, etc
opinions!

We could do a long long thread on
people's bad experiences with malpractice.

William James was concerned that psychology would not be able to extract itself from its muddled state. He has been prove. Right.

 

[Audie]

William James was concerned that psychology would not be able to extract itself from its muddled state. He has been prove. Right.

"He has been proven right". Except he has not.

Give it time. Two hundred years more years, it may
get to the level of penicillin-ear medicine.

 

[David T]

"He has been proven right". Except he has not.

Give it time. Two hundred years more years, it may
get to the level of penicillin-ear medicine.

Audie I have equated it to being on a boat most people are fine and a couple get sick. The doctors look at the symtoms proclaim they have throw up disorder and prescribe dramamin (sp) for the brain. The meds do not nor cannot ever deal with the causality they only treat the symtoms. It's now a huge business, and all evidence points to meds not actually fixing the issues but moderating the symtoms. I am all about meds as needed to stablize but getting off the boat really is the only realistic solution. The issue today of meds is it is innately biased psychiatric worlds thinking towards money without realizing it.

 

[Audie]

Audie I have equated it to being on a boat most people are fine and a couple get sick. The doctors look at the symtoms proclaim they have throw up disorder and prescribe dramamin (sp) for the brain. The meds do not nor cannot ever deal with the causality they only treat the symtoms. It's now a huge business, and all evidence points to meds not actually fixing the issues but moderating the symtoms. I am all about meds as needed to stablize but getting off the boat really is the only realistic solution. The issue today of meds is it is innately biased psychiatric worlds thinking towards money without realizing it.

They wanted to med me. I would not touch it.

Give them 287 years?

 

[Ellen Brown]

They wanted to med me. I would not touch it.

Give them 287 years?

Gosh ! I hope I don't get yelled at ... My breakdown started in 2002 and got much worse. An unknown to me, part of the psych community gets their marching orders from the LGBT community Political Action Pack. They are the ones who came up with Gender Identity Disorder (GID). I will agree that the sharply binary world tries to push folk into NOT being themselves because there are effeminate men and masculine women who are not gay or lesbian. In my case the psych community drugged the heck out of me, making me very suggestible and then got me to thinking I was actually a woman. The correct approach would have been to allow me to be ME. While living as a man, I never had a single gay thought. I just wanted to be faithful to my family, please God, and love others. I've lived as a woman for over 15 years now, and believe me going back would be impossible. I am and have been celebrate.

Most patients of the Psychological community do not realize that there are just lots of experimental psych drugs out there, and the prescribers are much more interested in their studies than the well being of the patient. A well known practice in the medical/psych field is that drug companies PAY Doctors and Hospitals to test their drugs. Everyone needs to be very careful what they allow their doctors to get them taking. An example, Omeprasole, for GIRD can also lead to premature onset of Dementia. Oh, there are many drugs that do ugly things like that. BEWARE !

 

[David T]

They wanted to med me. I would not touch it.

Give them 287 years?

I think you are an optimist!

 

[Audie]

Gosh ! I hope I don't get yelled at ... My breakdown started in 2002 and got much worse. An unknown to me, part of the psych community gets their marching orders from the LGBT community Political Action Pack. They are the ones who came up with Gender Identity Disorder (GID). I will agree that the sharply binary world tries to push folk into NOT being themselves because there are effeminate men and masculine women who are not gay or lesbian. In my case the psych community drugged the heck out of me, making me very suggestible and then got me to thinking I was actually a woman. The correct approach would have been to allow me to be ME. While living as a man, I never had a single gay thought. I just wanted to be faithful to my family, please God, and love others. I've lived as a woman for over 15 years now, and believe me going back would be impossible. I am and have been celebrate.

Most patients of the Psychological community do not realize that there are just lots of experimental psych drugs out there, and the prescribers are much more interested in their studies than the well being of the patient. A well known practice in the medical/psych field is that drug companies PAY Doctors and Hospitals to test their drugs. Everyone needs to be very careful what they allow their doctors to get them taking. An example, Omeprasole, for GIRD can also lead to premature onset of Dementia. Oh, there are many drugs that do ugly things like that. BEWARE !

What a strange story! But I can identify with some of it.
After a sexual assault, I was of course, getting
counseling, which consisted in some degree of see
how men are, be a lesbian.

Honestly, people.

 

[Ellen Brown]

What a strange story! But I can identify with some of it.
After a sexual assault, I was of course, getting
counseling, which consisted in some degree of see
how men are, be a lesbian.

Honestly, people.

Exactly. I've had some really bad experiences with men, but have also met some who are protective, and loving.

 

[Audie]

Exactly. I've had some really bad experiences with men, but have also met some who are protective, and loving.

It took me a time to get over being afraid and suspicious
of all men, but, I did get over it.

A person trying to run their sexual politics agenda on
me when I was so vulnerable, that I wont get over or
forgive.

Not that it worked, but it was so reprehensible, unprofessional.

 

[Ellen Brown]

It took me a time to get over being afraid and suspicious
of all men, but, I did get over it.

A person trying to run their sexual politics agenda on
me when I was so vulnerable, that I wont get over or
forgive.

Not that it worked, but it was so reprehensible, unprofessional.

There was a man, in a church of all places, who demeaned me to the point that I was going to slap him. That's when I knew it was time to go.

 

[Geoff-Allen]

No breakdown here, but severe trauma,
ptsd stuff.

I am ok now, but it was far from easy and
the "professionals", yeah, have a way of
making things worse.

If you think how much harder and less
well developed psychological treatment
is compared to medical, it is not surprising.

Look at how often people are misdiagnosed,
not on strange rare diseases but common
maladies. The doctors are said to be
killing more Americans every year than
the guns are.

One thing to learn, for sure-IF there is a
problem, get second, third, fourth, etc
opinions!

We could do a long long thread on
people's bad experiences with malpractice.

Agreed ...

Try a google search for toxic psychiatry - I am one of the luckier ones!

 

[Ellen Brown]

Agreed ...

Try a google search for toxic psychiatry - I am one of the luckier ones!

So, that's a thing? I wasn't so lucky, but I'm doing OK I guess.