The Instincts and Senses of M A N

[outhouse]

Human courtship behavior is learned, otherwise it would be the same for all of us every time in every region and in every culture.

Incidentally, sociologists consider culture the driving factor in human behavior as intelligence replaced instinct. And this can be seen throughout the animal kingdom, not just with humans. As animals decrease in intelligence, their reliance on instinct becomes stronger, the more intelligent a species becomes, the fewer instincts they have.

This is a quote from the same wiki article you referenced to support your opinion.

Yes a fringe position. At this time your opinion is still unsubstantaiated.


We are a animal and all animals have instincts

 

[freethinker44]

Well all I can say is you are just wrong, you have a misconception of what an instinct is. And the vast majority of biological scientists will disagree with you. Watch the BBC documentary I posted.

I'm not "just wrong", and sociology is the study of human social behavior, not biology, they are related, but different. Sociology students would totally agree with me.

 

[fantome profane]

I'm not "just wrong", and sociology is the study of human social behavior, not biology, they are related, but different. Sociology students would totally agree with me.

Ohh, that sounds like fun! We should get a bunch of biologists and a bunch of sociologists together and make them fight to the death

But seriously instincts are genetically coded and the result of our biological evolution.

 

[freethinker44]

Yes a fringe position. At this time your opinion is still unsubstantaiated.


We are a animal and all animals have instincts

We used to have instincts, we lost those long ago. Culture guides human behavior, not instinct.

 

[outhouse]

We used to have instincts, we lost those long ago. Culture guides human behavior, not instinct.

False

Unsubstatiated because you cannot show a consensus that your correct.

I have provided a link showing your wrong.

All animals have instincts, we are no different

 

[freethinker44]

False

Unsubstatiated because you cannot show a consensus that your correct.

I have provided a link showing your wrong.

All animals have instincts, we are no different

The wiki article you referenced says humans don't have instincts and the other source you gave just lists a bunch of emotions, and I wouldn't consider chemical reactions in the brain to be complex, unlearned behavior.

 

[outhouse]

The wiki article you referenced says humans don't have instincts and the other source you gave just lists a bunch of emotions, and I wouldn't consider chemical reactions in the brain to be complex, unlearned behavior.

The wiki article posted said Abraham Maslow argued against it.

No where does it state humans factually dont have instincts, it clearly states Abraham argued its definition.

Human Instincts

Can Human Instincts Be Controlled?

Human Instinct | Watch Free Documentary Online

Every one of us possesses an armory of instincts which keep us alive.

 

[freethinker44]

The wiki article posted said Abraham Maslow argued against it.

No where does it state humans factually dont have instincts, it clearly states Abraham argued its definition.

From the wiki article.

Psychologist Abraham Maslow argued that humans no longer have instincts because we have the ability to override them in certain situations. He felt that what is called instinct is often imprecisely defined, and really amounts to strong drives. For Maslow, an instinct is something which cannot be overridden, and therefore while the term may have applied to humans in the past, it no longer does.

This is the second to last paragraph and it clearly doesn't argue against human instinct at all and in fact says, "the term [instinct] may have applied to humans in the past, it no longer does." It clearly states humans no longer have instincts.

The last paragraph of the wiki article. (There was one final line which just referenced an earlier paragraph about a 19th century entomologist so I am not counting that)

The book Instinct (1961) established a number of criteria which distinguish instinctual from other kinds of behavior. To be considered instinctual, a behavior must: a) be automatic, b) be irresistible, c) occur at some point in development, d) be triggered by some event in the environment, e) occur in every member of the species, f) be unmodifiable, and g) govern behavior for which the organism needs no training (although the organism may profit from experience and to that degree the behavior is modifiable).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct#cite_note-7

And this is the scientific definition of "instinct". As you can see, fears, emotions, and reflexes are not considered instincts and no other human behavior can fit this definition, however I can think of any number of behaviors from other animals that fit. Humans don't have instincts.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

From the wiki article.



This is the second to last paragraph and it clearly doesn't argue against human instinct at all and in fact says, "the term [instinct] may have applied to humans in the past, it no longer does." It clearly states humans no longer have instincts.

The last paragraph of the wiki article. (There was one final line which just referenced an earlier paragraph about a 19th century entomologist so I am not counting that)


And this is the scientific definition of "instinct". As you can see, fears, emotions, and reflexes are not considered instincts and no other human behavior can fit this definition, however I can think of any number of behaviors from other animals that fit. Humans don't have instincts.

So wait babies aren't human?

 

[freethinker44]

So wait babies aren't human?

Of course they're not human. Why would they be?

I'm kidding, they are human. But they don't have instincts either.

Infant reflexes have been well documented and they explain suckling, grasping, and rooting (trying to find the nipple with their mouth). All are reflexes, not instincts.
http://pregnancy.about.com/od/newborntesting/a/Newborn-Reflexes.htm
http://www.lpch.org/DiseaseHealthInfo/HealthLibrary/newborn/behrefx.html

 

[Whiterain]

Excellent work discussing this, you all. I'm really at a loss on how to explain it myself, Instinct also entails in the idea of
knowing what to do in a situation.

Conscience plays a role in intuition and instincts as well, I do not think it's a 'psychic' kind of sense or power in Man.
The conscience plays a second mind in many peoples decisions, I make a decision mentally but my conscience
disagrees with it? The conscience may be causing that feeling of being looked at?

 

[Thief]

Subject matter consists on discussion regarding the instincts and senses, 6th sense of Man.

Some people feel when they're being watched or looked at. You may have experienced this and
it's not hard to prove. Although it would seem like our instincts our 6th sense could be related
to God or the Soul, entailing the divine. It could be the soul that feels this, as well as the
occasional sense of danger.

I wouldn't consider it a primitive feature, that's super natural as per-cognitive occurrence.

There are researchers attempting experiments to find that distinction....
Doing so with trial and error on primates and human children.

As it goes.....humans can perceive what primates cannot.
We do have instinct the primate will never have.

When the variable of perceiving another's perception comes up....
Our children do so readily.
Primates do not.

It's called theory of mind.

It was noted...
In prayer the brain of the believer 'lights up'.
They really do believe they are talking to Someone.
This does happen for the non-believer.

That notion of being 'looked at' was addressed in the experimentation.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Of course they're not human. Why would they be?

I'm kidding, they are human. But they don't have instincts either.

Infant reflexes have been well documented and they explain suckling, grasping, and rooting (trying to find the nipple with their mouth). All are reflexes, not instincts.
Newborn Reflexes - How Newborn Reflexes Help Babies Survive
Newborn - Reflexes

Right except all infants do it.

Why is a wet dog shaking itself not considered a reflex but rather an instinct.

 

[freethinker44]

Right except all infants do it.

Why is a wet dog shaking itself not considered a reflex but rather an instinct.

I don't know. All I know is that infant behavior is considered a reflex and not a complex behavior. I thought the same thing when I first heard humans don't have instincts. The first thing I thought of was, "Well, obviously babies have instincts. How do we explain their behavior if not for instinct?" But research it, you will find that their behavior is just reflex that comes and goes at certain points in their development, just like I did.

 

[BSM1]

Right except all infants do it.

Why is a wet dog shaking itself not considered a reflex but rather an instinct.

Because all dogs do the same thing the same way when they get wet. That's one of the prerequisites for an instinct.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Because all dogs do the same thing the same way when they get wet. That's one of the prerequisites for an instinct.

And all babies do the same thing when they for instance are searching for their mothers nipples. It's a stimuli and they react to it. But i'll keep reading up on it.

 

[outhouse]

And all babies do the same thing when they for instance are searching for their mothers nipples. It's a stimuli and they react to it. But i'll keep reading up on it.

Read all you want. It all comes down to peronal opinion. the interpretation is hotly debated.


Because our brains are developed beyond animals who have instincts, did not mean we lost all ours.

All animals have instincts, and we are animals.

 

[BSM1]

And all babies do the same thing when they for instance are searching for their mothers nipples. It's a stimuli and they react to it. But i'll keep reading up on it.

And I posted somewhere that the suckling and swimming motion of newborns is as close to instinct as possible in humans.

 

[Thief]

And I posted somewhere that the suckling and swimming motion of newborns is as close to instinct as possible in humans.

Don't forget facial expression.