The International Criminal Court (ICC)

[anotherneil]

We need it, or something better, preferably something better, but until that happens, let's keep the flawed surrogate.

No we don't need it; the better thing is to have local, decentralized sovereignty, treaties for diplomatic relations, trade between nations, and very limited power that isn't concentrated in one place.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why, and why do you, in a seemingly callous way & with blatant disregard, omit the fact that the ICC also issued an arrest warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri (Deif) (source: https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situat...issues-warrant-arrest-mohammed-diab-ibrahim)?

I'm no fan of the ICC; in fact, my position regarding the UN and US is to get the US out of the UN and get the UN out of the US (unless they pay each and every individual US citizen an exorbitant periodic fee to house their headquarters here in the US), but your cherry picking curation should be disqualifying.

Justice systems are corrupt.
"Lawfare!".
Whataboutism this...whataboutism that.
So it's wrong to prosecute people in my tribe.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The following from Axios is instructive ...

Behind the scenes: The agreement was nearing completion last Thursday when the International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his former defense minister, Yoav Gallant, U.S. and Israeli officials say.​

• The news came while Netanyahu was meeting with U.S. envoy Amos Hochstein, who has been mediating for a year between Israel and Lebanon.
• Netanyahu was outraged, and grew even more angry after the French Foreign Ministry announced that France would implement the court's ruling.
• That threw a wrench into the negotiations, as Lebanon had wanted France to be part of the oversight committee to monitor implementation of the agreement.

On Friday, Biden spoke to French President Emmanuel Macron to try to solve the problem.​

• A U.S. official said Biden told Macron that Netanyahu was right to be angry, and that it was not possible to mediate a deal while also pledging to arrest the head of state of one of the parties.
• Macron told Biden he wanted to help but that his Foreign Ministry was only making clear its legal obligations towards the ICC. The French issued second statement to try to tamp down the tensions.
• On Saturday, Hochstein sent a message to Netanyahu through Israeli Ambassador to Washington Mike Herzog in which he threatened to withdraw as mediator if Israel did not move towards a deal in the coming days, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Update: The crisis was resolved in the last 24 hours, the U.S. official said on Monday. France agreed to take steps to improve relations with Israel, and Israel agreed that France could have a role in the implementation of the deal.​

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[muhammad_isa]

We don't need it or want it..

No, of course not .. you have your own law, make the law, and the "rules based world order" only applies
to others.

 

[Sargonski]

The following from Axios is instructive ...

Behind the scenes: The agreement was nearing completion last Thursday when the International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his former defense minister, Yoav Gallant, U.S. and Israeli officials say.​

• The news came while Netanyahu was meeting with U.S. envoy Amos Hochstein, who has been mediating for a year between Israel and Lebanon.
• Netanyahu was outraged, and grew even more angry after the French Foreign Ministry announced that France would implement the court's ruling.
• That threw a wrench into the negotiations, as Lebanon had wanted France to be part of the oversight committee to monitor implementation of the agreement.

On Friday, Biden spoke to French President Emmanuel Macron to try to solve the problem.​

• A U.S. official said Biden told Macron that Netanyahu was right to be angry, and that it was not possible to mediate a deal while also pledging to arrest the head of state of one of the parties.
• Macron told Biden he wanted to help but that his Foreign Ministry was only making clear its legal obligations towards the ICC. The French issued second statement to try to tamp down the tensions.
• On Saturday, Hochstein sent a message to Netanyahu through Israeli Ambassador to Washington Mike Herzog in which he threatened to withdraw as mediator if Israel did not move towards a deal in the coming days, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Update: The crisis was resolved in the last 24 hours, the U.S. official said on Monday. France agreed to take steps to improve relations with Israel, and Israel agreed that France could have a role in the implementation of the deal.​

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No instruction required beyond the Irish Delegation's instructions to the UN saying "The Hague is too good for Bibi" .. and all the world agreed .. sans the USA who is complicit and an enabler of the dirty deeds .. the Gaza Holocaust .. mass terrorist attacks in Lebanon .. and the occupied territory .. where Pogroms are common .. the Torture .. rape and horrific violations of detainees .. targeting Journalists .. and their families .. workplace .. targeting Hospitals for systemic destruction .. targeting medics .. with Torture and detention .. and summary execution ... of medics while they rush to help the people of a building they just bombed.

The history books have already been written .. Kangaroo Court or no .. the world has spoken in condemnation of the atrocity known as the Likhud Party .. their Zionist Charter of Ethnic Cleansing .. Terrorism .. and Hate .. Cleansing of the Land - "From the River to the Sea - Israeli Sovereignty "

 

[InChrist]

I find the above as predictable as it is an oversimplification of the ruling and its reasons. However, I'm not surprised: I'm aware that supporters of hardline evangelical Zionism usually consider the ongoing massacres to be part of a holy war, so the default position in such an extreme framework is usually to dismiss any criticism of the Israeli government's actions and find ad hoc rationalizations for them.

As for the site you posted ("The Harbinger Daily"), I think its purpose should be highlighted: it is readily obvious that it is a hardline, fundamentalist source that promotes theocracy, hostility to other religions, and antipathy to science. That such a source would support atrocities as part of a perceived holy war doesn't surprise me, although I still find the site and indeed the unquestioning support for any country on the basis of a literalist belief about the end times to be genuinely cultlike and dangerous.

Hardline evangelical Zionism seems to me the mirror image of Islamism and no less dangerous and hostile to human rights and peace.

You are certainly free to your own opinions and perspectives. Yet, I don’t know any Christians who want a theocracy or think in terms of “holy war”, as you’ve expressed or that such an idea excuses the devastation in Gaza. And I don’t know what you mean by “hardline evangelical Zionism”, as if Zionism is a bad or extreme thing. From a Christian or biblical perspective Zionism simply means the Jews have a right to exist in their historical, ancestral land given to them by God without having to constantly be under threat of annihilation. I don’t know of any Christians who are not grieved at destruction and loss of life whether in Israel or Gaza. Nevertheless, those who see the reality of the situation through the lens of the scriptures understand that those who hate Israel, those whose only goal is to terrorize and destroy Israel at any cost, even including harming the Palestinian people, are the ones who are dangerous, responsible for violating human rights, and guilty for the destruction taking place.

 

[anotherneil]

No, of course not .. you have your own law, make the law, and the "rules based world order" only applies
to others.

Dude, you're off the mark - way off. I'm a libertarian.