The interpretation of Bahai faith regarding "son of Hasan Al-askari" is irrational.

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The interpretation of Bahai faith regarding "son of Hasan Al-askari" is irrational.​

The Bahai faith is heavily founded by the Shii Imami tradition. So this kind of insertions are inevitable.

 

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The Bahai faith is heavily founded by the Shii Imami tradition. So this kind of insertions are inevitable.

While Baha'i Faith considers itself, fulfillment of Shia Traditions about the Qaim, it also equally considers itself the fulfillment of Sunni Traditions about Mahdi, and return of Christ.
We believe all major Religions, being Abrahamic and Non-Abrahamic, prophesied about two Promised Ones who come at the End Time, and these two Figures are fulfilled in the persons of Bab and Baha'u'llah.

 

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How they are pure?

They don't sin.

 

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Is this a scholarly answer?

Keeping in mind this book of 40 hadiths has 40 reliable chains naming all Twelve Imams and there are many more hadiths then these authentic and of course not authentic, we have to see what majority say to start off with. Almost all of them having Imam Mahdi (a) as son of the 11th Imam, Hassan Al-Akari (a).

There are many hadiths however in general sense that say he is the 9th from offspring of Hussain (a) or he is from the offspring of Hussain (a). Most hadiths about the Mahdi (a) in Sunni sources simply say he is from Ahlulbayt (a), from the offspring of Fatima (a).

So Hussain (a) is even more specific, then Ahlulbayt (a) and Fatima (a). The Mahdi was preached early by Mohammad (s). Then later, Imam Ali (a) for example asks him in a hadith, is the "the Mahdi from us Ahlulbayt or from other then us?", and was told he is was from Ahlulbayt (a).

So there are more general and more specific. The hadith you quoted can in be a way commenting that the Mahdi from Hussain (a) spoken about in the the more general terms, is the son of Hassan Al-akari (a). This especially keeping in mind they repeated the hadiths about him being son of the 11th Imam and it's reached a very high level of transmission.

We cannot use an isolated reported and anomaly to do away with what we are certain of. The many hadiths naming all Twelve, the context is clear, that Imam Mahdi (a) is born to Hassan Al-akari (a) in the literal terms.

 

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We cannot use an isolated reported and anomaly to do away with what we are certain of.

You cannot be certain of anything because all those 40 Hadithes could have been theoretically fabricated.
There could have been some people who wanted to promote Shia, so they invented Hadithes, with different narrators, to make it look like true Hadithes.
Can you disprove what I am saying?

The many hadiths naming all Twelve, the context is clear, that Imam Mahdi (a) is born to Hassan Al-akari (a) in the literal terms.

Your Prophet and Imams, did not instruct to accept or reject Hadithes, based on how many of those Hadithes are found, or if they are isolated, or other reasons you want to come up with to choose what you like, and reject what you don't like.

They instructed you, to check the Hadithes against the Quran:

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Imam Sadiq said: "If they narrated to you a Hadith and you find a witness for it in the Book of God or in Hadith of the holy Prophet (it is acceptable), otherwise, it is better for the one who brought it to you. (Meaning you'd better attribute it to the narrator and do not accept that the hadith is from us)."


"Abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) has said, ‘Everything must be referred to the holy Quran and the Sunnah, the noble traditions of the holy Prophet (s.a.) and any Hadith that does not agree with the holy Quran it is a useless statement.’"

abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) has said the following:
"The holy Prophet once addressed the people in Mina (a place in Makkah) saying, "O people, whatever comes to you in the form of my Hadith you must see if it agrees with the holy book of Allah then know that I have said it but whatever comes to you that does not agree with the book of Allah then know that I have not said it."




So, now, can you show where in Quran says, that the 12th Imam is born right after the 11th Imam?


Of course you cannot, because such a verse does not exist!

Not only that. But also Quran rejects it, because consider Jesus, being the Promised One of Moses, Just as Mahdi is Promised One of Muhammad.
Was Jesus born 1000 years before He rises? Was Jesus even from the Lineage of Moses, through His father?
so, the Shia got mislead, when they think, Mahdi was born more than a 1000 years ago. Such idea does not exist in the Qur'an.

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنِ ابْنِ فَضَّالٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ عُقْبَةَ عَنْ أَيُّوبَ بْنِ رَاشِدٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ: مَا لَمْ يُوَافِقْ مِنَ الْحَدِيثِ الْقُرْآنَ فَهُوَ زُخْرُفٌ

Ibn Faddal, from Ali ibn Uqba, from Ayyub ibn Rashid, from Abu Abdullah (Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq) (AS), who said: "Whatever does not conform to the Quran from the hadith is absurd (falsehood)."




But, when I say, the Hadithes of Jabulqa are true, I based it on the Quran:

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السَّمَاء رِزْقُكُمْ وَمَا تُوعَدُونَ
فَوَرَبِّ ٱلسَّمَاۤءِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ إِنَّهُۥ لَحَقࣱّ مِّثۡلَ مَاۤ أَنَّكُمۡ تَنطِقُونَ


“In heaven is your sustenance and whatever you are promised.

By the Lord of the heaven and earth, it is as true as the fact that you speak.
” (Surah Zariyat 51:22-23)

وبالاسناد يرفعه إلى ابن عباس في قوله تعالى : « وفي السماء رزقكم وما توعدون » [٤] قال : هو خروج المهدي


Also, It is mentioned in Ghaibat of Shaykh Tusi that Ibne Abbas said about this verse:

“It implies the rise of the Qaim of Aale Muhammad (a.s.).”

Also,

فورب السماء والارض إنه لحق مثل ما أنكم تنطقون)] (الذاريات - 23). أن ظهور المهدي عليه السلام هو الحق في الآية [1863 - (الامام زين العابدين عليه السلام) " قيام القائم (عليه السلام) من آل محمد صلى الله عليه وآله قال: وفيه نزلت: وعد الله الذين آمنوا وعملوا الصالحات ليستخلفنهم في الارض كما استخلف الذين من قبلهم وليمكنن لهم دينهم الذي ارتضى لهم وليبدلنهم من بعد خوفهم أمنا يعبدونني لا يشركون بي شيئا قال: نزلت في المهدي (عليه السلام

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You cannot be certain of anything because all those 40 Hadithes could have been theoretically fabricated.
There could have been some people who wanted to promote Shia, so they invented Hadithes, with different narrators, to make it look like true Hadithes.
Can you disprove what I am saying?

No it's not really possible. This especially by the fact there are twelve successors is confirmed by the Quran and we would expect them to be nominated by Rasool (s). So this is confirmed by Quran especially by the concept of an Ahlulbayt, Ulul-Arham, Al-Qurba, Ulul-Amr etc, and with twelve and how it's mentioned in Quran.

The only twelve names we have for twelve successors are these, there is no reason to assume they are fabricated when Quran confirms the concept of Ahlulbayt (a) as well the number Twelve. This is the only sect of Islam that has proof in Quran, so this way these are the only set of hadiths confirmed by Quran as far nominating the Imams by names go.

But you are changing the topic again. Your Prophet didn't deny the hadiths about Mahdi being son of Hassan Al-akari, instead, he said all Prophets are son of Hassan Al-askari as a reply.

So I'm saying his interpretation is irrational when we look at these hadiths.

 

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But you are changing the topic again. Your Prophet didn't deny the hadiths about Mahdi being son of Hassan Al-akari, instead, he said all Prophets are son of Hassan Al-askari as a reply.

So I'm saying his interpretation is irrational when we look at these hadiths.

Baha'u'llah confirmed that, but He also confirmed that, the Qaim was in Jabulqa according to the Imams.

You only accept the part you like, and reject the part you don't like.

And you also did not reply to most part of my posts. So, we can just agree to disagree.