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The Khazars. normative history Vs. revisionism

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
For a while now in modern era. in the endless pursuit to undermine Jewish identity, various individuals and anti-Jewish groups have propagated an anti historical, racial-based 'theory' that supposedly establishes that modern Ashkenazi (or European) Jews, are in fact descendent from the Khazars. and therefore most Jews around the world are not 'genetically' Jewish... a surreal claim in itself, as if Jews should stand to some high standard genetic purity test to prove they are NOT Jewish. only a short time after they were singled out FOR being genetically Jewish, under the Third Reich's racial purity laws.

So. who were the Khazars?
In short. the Khazars have established a powerful empire between the 7th and 10th century. and were one of the major powers in Eurasia during the time.
The Khazar empire was the first feudal state established in Eastern Europe. and a major economical trader between Northern Europe and the Middle East.
The Khazar people were in alliance with Byzantium in warfare against the Arab Caliphate, one of the largest empires the world has seen.
after fighting the Caliphate to a standstill in the Northern Caucasus region, the Khazar people have realized it is time to replace their native shamanistic religion with an organized state religion, that would give them a strong standing with the Abrahamic powers- Christian Byzantium and the Islamic Caliphate. during the 8th century, the Khazar royalty and much of its aristocracy converted to Judaism.
During the next rounds of military hostilities, the Khazars have eventually stopped the Arab expansion into Eastern Europe. with Arab sources giving us an account of a Khazar woman leading the military forces at around 729.
This is a remarkable fact in itself, as the early Arab Caliphates head a remarkable expansionist abilities, namely the Umayyad and the Abbasid, the former being able to conquer parts of South western Europe and head to France.
I'm puzzled by the desperate revisionism of individuals and groups around the world who are intimated by the dominance of Jewish identity and individualism, and their need to hijack a fascinating chapter of human history, and of a remarkable people, of whom Byzantium married their royalty to, and the Caliphate was forging royal marriages in order to establish peace. it is bordering the bizarre and a shallow approach to history to take such a chapter, which involves the most influential major powers of the time, including the early Caliphates, an intense story of the interaction of Christianity, Islam, and a Jewish royalty and nobility in between them, and to somehow turn it into a stain, a mark of Cain on Jewish identity.
As a Jewish man. I can only marvel that the royalty and nobility of these remarkable people and an empire for choosing Judaism as their state religion.
 
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Dena

Active Member
I'm glad to see you brought this topic. I'm conversing with a friend on this very subject. Her husband and his mother are feeding her garbage about Jews not deserving to be in Israel because they are really descended from Khazars, therefore not being "pure Hebrews". They believe there was some conspiracy to get fake Jews into Israel. She's currently reading through The Thirteenth Tribe. I know how to appeal to her in several ways but I'm ignorant of many facts.

I didn't know their women led the military. I find that particularly interesting!
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
I'm glad to see you brought this topic. I'm conversing with a friend on this very subject. Her husband and his mother are feeding her garbage about Jews not deserving to be in Israel because they are really descended from Khazars, therefore not being "pure Hebrews". They believe there was some conspiracy to get fake Jews into Israel. She's currently reading through The Thirteenth Tribe. I know how to appeal to her in several ways but I'm ignorant of many facts.

I didn't know their women led the military. I find that particularly interesting!
Thanks for the feedback Dena.
Perhaps you can send them the link, if they are honestly interested in being informed. I always bitterly smile that if these are some of our antagonizers, God is not training us hard enough. I expect an intellectual challenge, not a rag doll which can't even read the scriptures for itself without being spoon fed the dogma of the defeated.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Yeah, it's good that you posted this. It's really a shame that so many people have taken such a fascinating little snippet of Jewish history and turned it into a tool with which to malign and slander us.

I've always loved the Khazars. Khazariyah was the only Jewish state to exist from the Roman Expulsion to 1948, and I have always been fascinated by the apparent tolerance of multiple religions amongst the people. It's an example we all could learn from today, if true. And I always loved the frame story of Sefer ha-Kuzari-- actually, more so than I ever loved the philosophy.

Though it is profoundly not a historical source or anything more than inspired and resourceful fiction, I am also a big fan of Milorad Pavic's unique novel-as-dictionary, A Dictionary of the Khazars. Which, if you guys have not read, you should totally get.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Yeah, it's good that you posted this. It's really a shame that so many people have taken such a fascinating little snippet of Jewish history and turned it into a tool with which to malign and slander us.
Its historical and archaeological bankruptcy unfolding before our eyes.
somehow you take the outstanding account of a people who stopped the Arab invasion to Europe, have been allies to Byzantium, and had a remarkable and fierce royalty and nobility to lead them. and somehow it all turns bad, because these nobles chose Judaism as a state religion. suddenly this outstanding piece of history, is simply thrown out the window and these people, the Khazars are treated as an extra genetic garbage on line.
 

Marco19

Researcher
Hello friends,

Just wondering what happened to them? is it true that mainly they converted to Islam? or they have spread out through the region, but we have no real information about them?

Thank you!
 
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xkatz

Well-Known Member
Just wondering what happened to them?

By the late 10th century, they were taken over by the Russians and integrated into their society. After that they pretty much disappear as a group of people AFAIK.
 
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Levite

Higher and Higher
Yeah, around the end of the 10th century, the kingdom was overrun by the armies of a Russic prince, Svyatoslav of Kiev, and he basically sacked, plundered, pillaged, and slaughtered them back to the stone age. The survivors, and such Khazar communities outside of Khazaria, slowly began either assimilating into other cultures and religions, or emigrating to other parts of Europe and joining the Jewish communities there. By the end of the 12th century, the Khazars were pretty much entirely a thing of the past, although I know of at least one Jewish travelogue from the 13th century in which the author claims to have passed through the ruins of Khazaria, and still found some Khazars there, eking out subsistence.
 

khazaria

New Member
Caladan,
For 16 years my site Khazaria.com has provided a safe haven for those seeking to learn about the Khazars without distracting political or racist sentiments. Please visit any time to see the Khazars given a proper dose of respect.

Furthermore, my book The Jews of Khazaria, Second Edition provides the antidote to distorted books like The Thirteenth Tribe that Dena's friend is reading. It's available from numerous bookshops in England, the U.S., and elsewhere (see my site for ordering options).

To Levite: The 13th century Jewish travelogue you refer to - about the travels of Rabbi Petachia - tells how he found *Karaites*, not Khazars, in the land of "Kedar". They are not the same people.

There is evidence that Khazars married into the Byzantine Jewish community and studied the Torah in Spain. Those are among the last traces of them before they disappear from extant records. Some of them did convert to Islam, as Marco19 suggested, and the Kumyk Muslims of the North Caucasus may be partially descended from those converts.

- Kevin Brook
 
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