The Last Prophecy of Revelation

[74x12]

What do you mean by , Many will have been dead already ? What exactly do you mean by dead ?

Those who pass away.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Those who pass away.

You do know, God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

You know Christ Jesus said of Himself in the book of Luke 24:46--"Thus it is written, and it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day"

Who's the dead, That Jesus is referring to?

 

[74x12]

You do know, God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

You know Christ Jesus said of Himself in the book of Luke 24:46--"Thus it is written, and it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day"

Who's the dead, That Jesus is referring to?

Of course.
When pressed to do so Jesus said Lazarus was dead. (John 11:14) And what He meant is obviously Lazarus was bodily dead. Which is exactly why I said it that way for clarification. I don't want to confuse people.

 

[Oeste]

So your Rapture can not happen, for the simple fact, that by the time Christ Jesus comes, The Tribulation is ended, over.

I still don't think you get it.

The word Rapture simply means "carried away" or "plucked".

The Rapture can occur PRE-Trib, which is before the Tribulation.
The Rapture can occur MID-Trib, which is in the middle of the Tribulation.
The Rapture can occur POST-Trib, which is after the Tribulation.

All you've told us, with your statement that the Rapture cannot happen until after the Tribulation has ended, is that you are most likely POST-Trib.

In other words, there are millions of people who believe the Rapture will NOT happen until AFTER the Tribulation. They are still Rapturists.

 

[Oeste]

It doesn't just say "after" the tribulation. It says immediately after the tribulation in Matthew 24:29. This to me, means the 7th trumpet marks the end. Which is why in Revelation it would say the following about the 7th trumpet:

SInce the 7th trumpet marks the end of the tribulation, how can it sound "after", or "immediately after" the tribulation has ended?

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev 10:7)
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.(Rev 11:15)

As for the 7th trumpet lasting several days. As I asked you before; please show me where you get that idea. I am truly curious if you have such information please share it. As far as I can see the 7th trumpet does not necessarily last several days. Please show me where you get that impression from. I want to know if it is so or not.

You just quoted the verse. it's in Revelation 10:7.

In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound..."

The seventh angel sounds the trumpet and the trumpet will sound for days.

2. I must take what Jesus said seriously about dead bodies in Luke 17; unless you can counter with solid proof that I am somehow misunderstanding Jesus.

"Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

Is see two bodies here...one dead the other alive.

The church is the body of Christ and we (his followers) are the "eagles" reuniting with Christ in the air. It is the living body.

“But those who wait on the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint” (Isaiah 40:31).​

'You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you to Myself.​

Also, eagles are often associated with something rapid and swift:

"Saul and Jonathan, beloved and pleasant in their life, And in their death they were not parted; They were swifter than eagles, They were stronger than lions. (2 Samuel 1:23)

"Behold, he goes up like clouds, And his chariots like the whirlwind; His horses are swifter than eagles Woe to us, for we are ruined!" (Jeremiah 4:13)​

However I also see a parallel with this verse at Matthew 24:28:

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.​

IMO, the eagles are those taken to meet the Lord in the air and those left behind are with the vultures.

Well, I don't agree with you here. It seems like you're arguing that therefore everyone who keeps the command patiently will escape the same. Yet, you're maybe not taking into account Jesus and Peter's conversation about John in John 21. Jesus had just informed Peter that Peter would be a martyr, so Peter wanted to know if John would also be a martyr. Jesus replies:

Jesus said to him, “If I desire that he stay until I come, what is that to you? You follow me.” (John 21:22 WEB)

So is every Christian a martyr? No. Is every Christian going through the tribulation? Obviously not. But that doesn't mean we're all escaping it either.

Let's look at what the scripture says again:

10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. (Revelation 3)
​

These are not individual trials, but from the hour of trial coming upon the entire world.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I still don't think you get it.

The word Rapture simply means "carried away" or "plucked".

That's exactly what God has given to
Ezekiel 13:20, people will be carried away, or plucked up to save their souls.

And in the book of Proverbs 10:30--"The righteous shall never be removed, but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth"

So explain just how is your Rapture, to fit into what God has given in Proverbs 10:30, seeing that righteous shall never be removed from the earth.
It seems that every time God trys to show people the error of their way, People go on the attack against God, how do people do this and still call themselves Christians.

The Rapture can occur PRE-Trib, which is before the Tribulation.
The Rapture can occur MID-Trib, which is in the middle of the Tribulation.
The Rapture can occur POST-Trib, which is after the Tribulation.

All you've told us, with your statement that the Rapture cannot happen until after the Tribulation has ended, is that you are most likely POST-Trib.

Let me say this again and make it very clear again, I do not believe in No Rapture, Ok.
So how is your Rapture to happen, when Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens. Why is it that you continue to fight against what God has given in the book of Revelation.

In other words, there are millions of people who believe the Rapture will NOT happen until AFTER the Tribulation. They are still Rapturists.

As to how do you get the Rapture to happen before the Tribulation, When Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens. Which bring the end to the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.
Therefore Christ Jesus can Not return until the last Prophecy happens. Which by that time, The Tribulation is over.

Maybe you should study the book of Revelation more. To see what Prophecy's God has given.and when they will happen.

 

[Faithofchristian]

SInce the 7th trumpet marks the end of the tribulation, how can it sound "after", or "immediately after" the tribulation has ended?

That's because the 7th trump is what brings the end to the Tribulation and Christ Jesus return.



You just quoted the verse. it's in Revelation 10:7.

In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound..."

The seventh angel sounds the trumpet and the trumpet will sound for days.

As to how do you get the 7th trump will sound for days, are you freaking kidding me.



Is see two bodies here...one dead the other alive.

The church is the body of Christ and we (his followers) are the "eagles" reuniting with Christ in the air. It is the living body.

Now that's to funny, and we his followers, if your a follow of Christ Jesus, then why are you fighting against Christ Jesus.

Had you any idea the word ( air ) being translated in the Strong's Concordance of the Hebrew 5397, meaning = Ruwach which means = Spirit.
Therefore to meet Christ in the Spirit.

“But those who wait on the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint” (Isaiah 40:31).​

'You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you to Myself.​

Also, eagles are often associated with something rapid and swift:

"Saul and Jonathan, beloved and pleasant in their life, And in their death they were not parted; They were swifter than eagles, They were stronger than lions. (2 Samuel 1:23)

"Behold, he goes up like clouds, And his chariots like the whirlwind; His horses are swifter than eagles Woe to us, for we are ruined!" (Jeremiah 4:13)​

However I also see a parallel with this verse at Matthew 24:28:

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.​

IMO, the eagles are those taken to meet the Lord in the air and those left behind are with the vultures.

Yeah your right about that, as long as you believe in the Rapture Theory, that's exactly what's going to happen to you, only that it's not the Lord that you think that's going to Rapture you out.


Let's look at what the scripture says again:

10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. (Revelation 3)
​

These are not individual trials, but from the hour of trial coming upon the entire world.

So in the hour of temptation, who do you think that is, that's going to be trying people in that hour of temptation?

 

[74x12]

SInce the 7th trumpet marks the end of the tribulation, how can it sound "after", or "immediately after" the tribulation has ended?

Immediately after the tribulation. Instantly. The point is when the 7th trumpet sounds the Lord returns and the tribulation is over. You can say it was already over; fine. 1 second before? Immediately is immediately. It makes little difference.

You just quoted the verse. it's in Revelation 10:7.

In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound..."

The seventh angel sounds the trumpet and the trumpet will sound for days.

The KJV is what I quoted. The actual Greek word being translated there as "when" is actually translated elsewhere in the KJV as

• to be about
• to be on the point of doing or suffering something
• to intend, have in mind, think to

I have here a copy of the English man's Greek new Testament and If we use Young's Literal translation, or the WEB; we see it has a slightly different meaning than the KJV has:

(English man's Greek new Testament)
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound[the] trumpet, also should be completed the mystery of God, as he did announce the glad tidings to his bondmen the prophets.

(Young's Literal Translation) Rev 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh messenger, when he may be about to sound, and the secret of God may be finished, as He did declare to His own servants, to the prophets.

(World English Bible)
Revelation 10:7
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as he declared to his servants, the prophets.

Is see two bodies here...one dead the other alive.

The church is the body of Christ and we (his followers) are the "eagles" reuniting with Christ in the air. It is the living body.

“But those who wait on the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint” (Isaiah 40:31).
'You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you to Myself.
Also, eagles are often associated with something rapid and swift:

"Saul and Jonathan, beloved and pleasant in their life, And in their death they were not parted; They were swifter than eagles, They were stronger than lions. (2 Samuel 1:23)

"Behold, he goes up like clouds, And his chariots like the whirlwind; His horses are swifter than eagles Woe to us, for we are ruined!" (Jeremiah 4:13)
However I also see a parallel with this verse at Matthew 24:28:

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
IMO, the eagles are those taken to meet the Lord in the air and those left behind are with the vultures.

That's good and makes sense. Still, this doesn't prove the pre-tribulation.

Let's look at what the scripture says again:

10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. (Revelation 3)
These are not individual trials, but from the hour of trial coming upon the entire world.

I didn't say they were individual trials? The promise is to the specific church of Philadelphia that they will be kept from a world wide trial. The temptation was/is certainly on the whole world.

 

[Oeste]

Immediately after the tribulation. Instantly. The point is when the 7th trumpet sounds the Lord returns and the tribulation is over. You can say it was already over; fine. 1 second before? Immediately is immediately. It makes little difference.

It makes a HUGE hermeneutical difference, because it is not Oeste but scripture that says “After”.

After is after, whether immediately after, shortly after, or forever after. If the 7th trumpet marks the end of the tribulation it cannot possibly be sounded AFTER the tribulation period has ended.

The trumpet that sounds the end cannot be the trumpet that sounds after

If we can do that with “immediately after”, what can we expect to do with “immediately before”??

The KJV is what I quoted. The actual Greek word being translated there as "when" is actually translated elsewhere in the KJV as

• to be about
• to be on the point of doing or suffering something
• to intend, have in mind, think to

I have here a copy of the English man's Greek new Testament and If we use Young's Literal translation, or the WEB; we see it has a slightly different meaning than the KJV has:

(English man's Greek new Testament)
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound[the] trumpet, also should be completed the mystery of God, as he did announce the glad tidings to his bondmen the prophets.

(Young's Literal Translation) Rev 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh messenger, when he may be about to sound, and the secret of God may be finished, as He did declare to His own servants, to the prophets.

(World English Bible)
Revelation 10:7
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as he declared to his servants, the prophets.

That's fine, but an important part is not to forget the first part of the verse:

In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound..." (Rev 10:7)

It doesn't say "In the day" nor "In the hour", nor "In the moment"

That's good and makes sense. Still, this doesn't prove the pre-tribulation.

Thank you! However don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to "prove" pre-tribulation. Biblical hermeneutics does not allow us to "prove" anything but it does allow one to give evidence and with the "weight of the evidence" support a particular position.

My goal here was not to show there was a pre-tribulation rapture but to give evidence there will be a rapture. Whether someone believes it pre, mid, or post-trib makes no difference to me.

I didn't say they were individual trials? The promise is to the specific church of Philadelphia that they will be kept from a world wide trial. The temptation was/is certainly on the whole world.

Sorry, I should have wrote "congregational" trials. Let's look at the verse again:

10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. (Revelation 3)​

When reading the text it appears pretty clear that the Philadelphians were being kept from the trial that would test the entire earth. It also becomes apparent that Jesus wasn't keeping them from the trial because they were Philadelphians (unless Jesus is a respecter of persons). Rather Jesus states it's because they kept his command to endure patiently.

The only way I could see this applying solely to the congregation at Philadelphia is if this congregation was the only congregation keeping Jesus' command to endure patiently.

 

[74x12]

It makes a HUGE hermeneutical difference, because it is not Oeste but scripture that says “After”.

After is after, whether immediately after, shortly after, or forever after. If the 7th trumpet marks the end of the tribulation it cannot possibly be sounded AFTER the tribulation period has ended.

The trumpet that sounds the end cannot be the trumpet that sounds after

If we can do that with “immediately after”, what can we expect to do with “immediately before”??

Immediately is immediately. How do you even know that the 7th trumpet "marks the end"? I would say that if something happens immediately after then it could mark the end. But, you're getting caught up on that so how do you know it "marks the end" anyway?

That's fine, but an important part is not to forget the first part of the verse:

In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound..." (Rev 10:7)

It doesn't say "In the day" nor "In the hour", nor "In the moment"

Again you're using the KJV.
The "days of the voice of the seventh angel" seem to be when he is about to sound.

(English man's Greek new Testament)
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound[the] trumpet, also should be completed the mystery of God, as he did announce the glad tidings to his bondmen the prophets.

Sorry, I should have wrote "congregational" trials. Let's look at the verse again:

10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. (Revelation 3)
When reading the text it appears pretty clear that the Philadelphians were being kept from the trial that would test the entire earth. It also becomes apparent that Jesus wasn't keeping them from the trial because they were Philadelphians (unless Jesus is a respecter of persons). Rather Jesus states it's because they kept his command to endure patiently.

The only way I could see this applying solely to the congregation at Philadelphia is if this congregation was the only congregation keeping Jesus' command to endure patiently.

As I pointed out with Peter and John. God works with different people differently. Someone might have to go through more persecution that someone else. The same is true of different churches.

Here is something a bit different. Some people actually believe the 7 churches of Revelation are 7 dispensations or generations of the church in history. They would say the church of Laodicea represents the final state of the church before Christ's return rather than the church of Philadelphia. I am not saying I believe this myself, but it's possible and something to consider.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Immediately after the tribulation. Instantly. The point is when the 7th trumpet sounds the Lord returns and the tribulation is over. You can say it was already over; fine. 1 second before? Immediately is immediately. It makes little difference.



The KJV is what I quoted. The actual Greek word being translated there as "when" is actually translated elsewhere in the KJV as

• to be about
• to be on the point of doing or suffering something
• to intend, have in mind, think to

I have here a copy of the English man's Greek new Testament and If we use Young's Literal translation, or the WEB; we see it has a slightly different meaning than the KJV has:

(English man's Greek new Testament)
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound[the] trumpet, also should be completed the mystery of God, as he did announce the glad tidings to his bondmen the prophets.

(Young's Literal Translation) Rev 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh messenger, when he may be about to sound, and the secret of God may be finished, as He did declare to His own servants, to the prophets.

(World English Bible)
Revelation 10:7
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as he declared to his servants, the prophets.
That's good and makes sense. Still, this doesn't prove the pre-tribulation.

I didn't say they were individual trials? The promise is to the specific church of Philadelphia that they will be kept from a world wide trial. The temptation was/is certainly on the whole world.

Immediately is immediately. How do you even know that the 7th trumpet "marks the end"? I would say that if something happens immediately after then it could mark the end. But, you're getting caught up on that so how do you know it "marks the end" anyway?

Because the 7th trump, belongs only to Christ Jesus, and when it sounds it brings the end of the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.
Therefore Christ Jesus can not return until the 7th trump sounds, which brings the end of the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus. All because Christ Jesus as shortened the days of the Tribulation.Thats why the 7th trump is sounded to bring the Tribulation to it's end and the return of Christ Jesus. This all happens right after God's two witnesses are killed and called back up to heaven and the 7th trump is sounded and brings the Tribulation to it's end and the return of Christ Jesus.

Look in the book of Revelation there is only
7 seals, 7 Trump's, 7 vails.
The 6th seal, 6th trump, 6th Vail,
Which belongs to Satan = 666
The 7th seal, 7th trump, 7th Vail,
Which belongs to Christ Jesus =777

Again you're using the KJV.
The "days of the voice of the seventh angel" seem to be when he is about to sound.

(English man's Greek new Testament)
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound[the] trumpet, also should be completed the mystery of God, as he did announce the glad tidings to his bondmen the prophets.

As I pointed out with Peter and John. God works with different people differently. Someone might have to go through more persecution that someone else. The same is true of different churches.

Here is something a bit different. Some people actually believe the 7 churches of Revelation are 7 dispensations or generations of the church in history. They would say the church of Laodicea represents the final state of the church before Christ's return rather than the church of Philadelphia. I am not saying I believe this myself, but it's possible and something to consider.

Yeah, and People will say that Revelation 17, The Mother of Harlots is the Roman Catholic Church, which is not true.The Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with Revelation 17.

 

[Oeste]

Immediately is immediately. How do you even know that the 7th trumpet "marks the end"? I would say that if something happens immediately after then it could mark the end. But, you're getting caught up on that so how do you know it "marks the end" anyway?

Because all the other trumpets have sounded and the seventh trumpet is the final, third woe where all the worst of the tribulation period...the bowl judgments, occur. It is not the end of the tribulation period but it does mark it. It is past the mid-point of the 7 year period.

The KJV is what I quoted. The actual Greek word being translated there as "when" is actually translated elsewhere in the KJV as

• to be about
• to be on the point of doing or suffering something
• to intend, have in mind, think to

I have here a copy of the English man's Greek new Testament and If we use Young's Literal translation, or the WEB; we see it has a slightly different meaning than the KJV has:

(English man's Greek new Testament)
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound[the] trumpet, also should be completed the mystery of God, as he did announce the glad tidings to his bondmen the prophets.

(Young's Literal Translation) Rev 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh messenger, when he may be about to sound, and the secret of God may be finished, as He did declare to His own servants, to the prophets.

(World English Bible)
Revelation 10:7
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as he declared to his servants, the prophets.

That would take some research, specifically what words did the earliest manuscripts subscribe to, where these manuscripts were written and how many of the manuscripts carry these words. Unfortunately I just do not have the time right now so I will have to defer comment on this.

As I pointed out with Peter and John. God works with different people differently. Someone might have to go through more persecution that someone else. The same is true of different churches.

That is true, but I was wondering if you have a theological framework which helps you define which scriptural verses are applicable only to the congregations they were addressed to and which scriptural verses apply to the rest of us.

Without such a framework it would be very easy to say that whatever Jesus said to the Pharisees applied only to the Pharisees, what he said to the Jews in general applied only to those Jews within earshot of his voice, and the epistles only applied to the churches they were addressed to. As for the rest of us the scripture applicable would be to repent (Acts 26:20), keep free from strangled animals, sexual immorality, and idols (Acts 21:25)

Here is something a bit different. Some people actually believe the 7 churches of Revelation are 7 dispensations or generations of the church in history. They would say the church of Laodicea represents the final state of the church before Christ's return rather than the church of Philadelphia. I am not saying I believe this myself, but it's possible and something to consider.

I agree with the classic Dispensational view which to me is simply a way of organizing God treatment of man through history. I also agree that Israel is Israel as I do not subscribe to replacement theology. It's understandable how some came to believe the Church was Israel (even though scripture never states that) but now that the state of Israel has burst upon the scene there is no need to hold onto replacement theology.

Having said that, there is another, IMO heretical view of Dispensationalism, called ultra (or hyper) Dispensationalism and sometimes referred to as Bullingerism. They teach the 4 gospels were written to the Jews and do not apply to the church today, that the church spoken of in Acts does not pertain to the Body of Christ but to some other church and even more things that I'd rather not get into on this thread. Your suggestion that the instructions to the Philadelphians apply only to the Philadelphians and not to the Christian church readily align with ultra-Dispensational views.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Because all the other trumpets have sounded and the seventh trumpet is the final, third woe where all the worst of the tribulation period...the bowl judgments, occur. It is not the end of the tribulation period but it does mark it. It is past the mid-point of the 7 year period.

Can you explain exactly what you mean by the 7 year period ?



That would take some research, specifically what words did the earliest manuscripts subscribe to, where these manuscripts were written and how many of the manuscripts carry these words. Unfortunately I just do not have the time right now so I will have to defer comment on this.



That is true, but I was wondering if you have a theological framework which helps you define which scriptural verses are applicable only to the congregations they were addressed to and which scriptural verses apply to the rest of us.

Without such a framework it would be very easy to say that whatever Jesus said to the Pharisees applied only to the Pharisees, what he said to the Jews in general applied only to those Jews within earshot of his voice, and the epistles only applied to the churches they were addressed to. As for the rest of us the scripture applicable would be to repent (Acts 26:20), keep free from strangled animals, sexual immorality, and idols (Acts 21:25)



I agree with the classic Dispensational view which to me is simply a way of organizing God treatment of man through history. I also agree that Israel is Israel as I do not subscribe to replacement theology. It's understandable how some came to believe the Church was Israel (even though scripture never states that) but now that the state of Israel has burst upon the scene there is no need to hold onto replacement theology.

Having said that, there is another, IMO heretical view of Dispensationalism, called ultra (or hyper) Dispensationalism and sometimes referred to as Bullingerism. They teach the 4 gospels were written to the Jews and do not apply to the church today, that the church spoken of in Acts does not pertain to the Body of Christ but to some other church and even more things that I'd rather not get into on this thread. Your suggestion that the instructions to the Philadelphians apply only to the Philadelphians and not to the Christian church readily align with ultra-Dispensational views.

 

[Oeste]

Can you explain exactly what you mean by the 7 year period ?

By "7 year period" I mean the "70th week" as described by Daniel at Daniel 29:24-27.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

For those Christians, Who believe in the Rapture.

God has given in the book of Revelation, The Last Prophecy to happen, That when this Prophecy happens, Which brings the end to the Tribulation and the Return of Christ Jesus.

Christ Jesus can not Return until this last Prophecy happens, Which brings the end to the Tribulation and the Return of Christ Jesus and not before this Last Prophecy happens.That God has given in the book of Revelation.

Therefore for those Christians who believe in the Rapture, By the time your Rapture is to happen, The Tribulation has ended. ( Over )

The purpose of the Rapture is to Rapture people out before the tribulation. So that people are not here during the tribulation.

But seeing that Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens, that God has given in the book of Revelation happens.
Which brings the end to the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.

So what would be the use of the Rapture, when God gave the last Prophecy to happen in the book of Revelation, Which brings the end to the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.

So what purpose would the Rapture be. Since Christ Jesus can not Return, until the last Prophecy happens, Which brings about the end of the Tribulation ?

If you have any questions, About what the last Prophecy could be, that God has given in the book of Revelation.

You will find the last Prophecy to happen in Revelation Chapter 11.

That when God's two witnesses are killed and God calls them up to heaven, and the
7th trumpet is sounded and then Christ Jesus returns, and brings the end to the Tribulation.
Revelation 11:9--15.

So if your looking to be Raptured out before the tribulation, I wouldn't count on it. Because Christ Jesus can not Return until the last Prophecy happens, And brings the end to the Tribulation, That God has given in Revelation 11:9--15.

I'm supposing that when God's world coincides with the natural world as scheduled, rapture, as described, is probably what it will look like as we slip into God's dimension to those who are left in the natural world. Prolly all stretchy, lengthening out to a speck and dissappearing.

 

[Faithofchristian]

By "7 year period" I mean the "70th week" as described by Daniel at Daniel 29:24-27.

Do you understand the meaning of
Daniel 9:24-27 ?

 

[Faithofchristian]

I'm supposing that when God's world coincides with the natural world as scheduled, rapture, as described, is probably what it will look like as we slip into God's dimension to those who are left in the natural world. Prolly all stretchy, lengthening out to a speck and dissappearing.

Where do you get those left in the natural world, do you know that Paul Written in
1st Corinthians 15:52--" in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed"

Do you understand what the last trump is ?
Do you understand who the dead are ?

When Christ Jesus returns, the body of flesh drops, our spirit comes forth to meet the Lord in the Spirit. To see the Lord as he is in the Spiritual world. And not of flesh and blood.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Where do you get those left in the natural world, do you know that Paul Written in
1st Corinthians 15:52--" in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed"

Do you understand what the last trump is ?
Do you understand who the dead are ?

When Christ Jesus returns, the body of flesh drops, our spirit comes forth to meet the Lord in the Spirit. To see the Lord as he is in the Spiritual world. And not of flesh and blood.

Those that don't get raptured are going to be left in the natural world.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Those that don't get raptured are going to be left in the natural world.

As to how do you come by the Rapture, when Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens that God has given in Revelation.
When this last Prophecy happens brings the end of the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.
So by your Rapture, for it to happen, Christ Jesus comes, But Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens that God has given in Revelation Chapter 11.

So by the time your Rapture is to happen the Tribulation is over, ended.
For the last Prophecy that happens, brings the end to the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.and not before.

This is why God has given the book of Revelation, so we would know the coming events that are to happen that will lead up to the end of the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.
Therefore by the time that the rapture is to happen, the Tribulation has ended,over, and Christ Jesus returns.at the end of the Tribulation.
This is why Christ Jesus said in Matthew 24:22, (the days of the Tribulation shall be shortened ) and the days of the Tribulation will be shortened, at the last Prophecy that God has given in Revelation 11. Which brings the end of the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

As to how do you come by the Rapture, when Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens that God has given in Revelation.
When this last Prophecy happens brings the end of the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.
So by your Rapture, for it to happen, Christ Jesus comes, But Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens that God has given in Revelation Chapter 11.

So by the time your Rapture is to happen the Tribulation is over, ended.
For the last Prophecy that happens, brings the end to the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.and not before.

Ok.