The Law

[Wharton]

Can't answer what question? You made an assertion about the American consumer which was dumb because it presumes that kosher supervision starts and stops in the borders of the US (in time and geography).

Another tap dance. I used American consumer because that's the market I operate in. Of course I know that kosher extends outside of the US. Just think of all those American kosher exports to foreign countries that don't need them either. Like Mexico.

 

[Wharton]

no one. The point was that he was wrong in what he was doing. It isn't a tap dance when one has actually learned and shows you you are wrong. It is a dance when you jump away from the topic when you are shown you are wrong.

OK so Gamaliel was just blowing smoke and his opinion was not needed. Fine with me.

 

[Wharton]

so you are citing the talmudic law. therefore, you recognize the validity of it as a canon or rules and the explanations and application of those rules by those who codified it. So then you should have no problem with an eruv.

Where's the roof.

 

[rosends]

Another tap dance. I used American consumer because that's the market I operate in. Of course I know that kosher extends outside of the US. Just think of all those American kosher exports to foreign countries that don't need them either.

So buy Voss water.

 

[Wharton]

So wait...because ALL bottled water is kosher and it is logically impossible to buy water that isn't kosher, you are angry at kosher laws. That makes no sense. You realize that water that comes out of your faucet is kosher also. OH NO.

 

[rosends]

Where's the roof.

when you make sense, let me know.

 

[Wharton]

There's no "kosher fee" attached to my tap water

 

[Wharton]

when you make sense, let me know.

Post what an eruv is for the forum.

 

[Wharton]

So buy Voss water.

It's also kosher. See the little OU?

 

[rosends]

Post what an eruv is for the forum.

it is a way of creating a private domain out of certain areas that would otherwise not be private domains so as to allow carrying which otherwise would be forbidden on the sabbath.

http://crazyjewishconvert.blogspot.com/2011/04/halacha-in-nutshell-what-is-eruv.html

http://www.eboreruv.org/more/reshutharabim.asp

 

[rosends]

It's also kosher. See the little OU?

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ok, Galvanina then.

 

[Wharton]

it is a way of creating a private domain out of certain areas that would otherwise not be private domains so as to allow carrying which otherwise would be forbidden on the sabbath.

http://crazyjewishconvert.blogspot.com/2011/04/halacha-in-nutshell-what-is-eruv.html

http://www.eboreruv.org/more/reshutharabim.asp

 

[Wharton]

Yeah, telephone poles, telephone lines, strings and posts create a private domain out of a large neighborhood. Who interpreted the law to create that idea?

 

[rosends]

Yeah, telephone poles, telephone lines, strings and posts create a private domain out of a large neighborhood. Who interpreted the law to create that idea?

the same people who institutionalized that the carrying was forbidden in the first place, using the same source material. If you have a problem with the eiruv you should have a problem with the rule against carrying in the first place.

 

[Wharton]

ok, Galvanina then.

I prefer domestic.

BTW, why the need for the kosher certification on bottled water? $$$$ I guess.

Bottled Water
OU Kosher Staff
All unflavored bottled water, seltzer and sparkling water is Kosher for Passover, even without any Kosher supervision.

 

[Wharton]

The truth is, in most places, it is hard to find kosher products and there is more often NO ALTERNATIVE for the kosher consumer other than "do without."

The entire American supermarket system is primarily kosher so there's no "do without." 300+ million consumers provide it for maybe 1 million who keep kosher. Coke and Pepsi are kosher but are too embarrassed to advertise it. Do you even look at the products you buy?

 

[Wharton]

the same people who institutionalized that the carrying was forbidden in the first place, using the same source material. If you have a problem with the eiruv you should have a problem with the rule against carrying in the first place.

So is it a proper interpretation of the law or just a method to get around it?

 

[rosends]

The entire American supermarket system is primarily kosher so there's no "do without." 300+ million consumers provide it for maybe 1 million who keep kosher. Coke and Pepsi are kosher but are too embarrassed to advertise it. Do you even look at the products you buy?

The entire American supermarket system? Are you serious? In most areas of the country it is impossible to find anything other than a few staples with kosher supervision. Have you ever been shopping somewhere outside of a major metropolitan area? You ask if I look. You have no idea how conscientious I have to be. I look constantly. I can only buy certain brands of salsa. I have to make sure to get certain brands of chocolate pudding. You want to complain because I CAN get certain foods? Life is tough all over.

 

[rosends]

So is it a proper interpretation of the law or just a method to get around it?

neither. It is an application of the legal system.

 

[Wharton]

neither. It is an application of the legal system.

So turning what is a public domain for 6 days of the week into a private domain for one day by putting up posts and strings is an application of the legal system? What is the penalty for violating this application?