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The Law

rosends

Well-Known Member
So turning what is a public domain for 6 days of the week into a private domain for one day by putting up posts and strings is an application of the legal system? What is the penalty for violating this application?
Once the eiruv is up, the area in question (not a public domain necessarily, probably a karmelit) the area is a private domain for 7 days, not just one. The penalty for violating it how? By carrying outside the area? For carrying things not exempted by the eiruv? We don't deal in penalties these days because we don't have a religious court running to handle these cases.
 

Wharton

Active Member
The entire American supermarket system? Are you serious? In most areas of the country it is impossible to find anything other than a few staples with kosher supervision. Have you ever been shopping somewhere outside of a major metropolitan area? You ask if I look. You have no idea how conscientious I have to be. I look constantly. I can only buy certain brands of salsa. I have to make sure to get certain brands of chocolate pudding. You want to complain because I CAN get certain foods? Life is tough all over.
So you have no products in your area manufactured by major American companies? That's hard to believe.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
So you have no products in your area manufactured by major American companies? That's hard to believe.
Many major American companies don't market the supervised version of their products in all areas. You can't buy Girl Scout cookies in some areas because the ones for sale are made in a separate plant which lacks supervision. More than one plant makes candy for Hershey's. You have to know which one you are buying. The kosher version of Wonder Bread was, for a long time, only available in select markets.
 

Wharton

Active Member
Once the eiruv is up, the area in question (not a public domain necessarily, probably a karmelit) the area is a private domain for 7 days, not just one. The penalty for violating it how? By carrying outside the area? For carrying things not exempted by the eiruv? We don't deal in penalties these days because we don't have a religious court running to handle these cases.
In my area, one has to call the eruv hotline to make sure the eruv is operational.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Not necessarily. The "string/lintel" is only checked before the Sabbath. In any event, the entire idea is ridiculous.
The fact that it is checked at a certain time doesn't change the status the rest of the week any more than the health department checking my restaurant on a Tuesday means that it is unclean every other day. And that you think it is ridiculous doesn't really mean much to me. It is your opinion. Feel free to have it.
The true story is $$$$$. Because there is no need to certify water as kosher.
Many opinions including mine agree with you. While there are other voices which find potential problems, I happen to believe that pure water (unflavored) does not need supervision and that companies put the certification on for marketing purposes. And even if I don't think it is necessary, I buy the product because it is the one for sale. Otherwise, i get a Brita, or I drink the tap water.
 

Wharton

Active Member
Glad that you are an expert on what needs to be certified.

If only you had been there for the last 3500 years.
I'll repeat this one for you so you get up to speed in the thread.

It's from your Orthodox Union, the experts. So it is about $$$$. I just need to know how much, which you will never find out, so I can take a tax deduction for a religious donation.:):)

Bottled Water
OU Kosher Staff
All unflavored bottled water, seltzer and sparkling water is Kosher for Passover, even without any Kosher supervision.
 

Wharton

Active Member
yes, or one can drive by the shul and see if the green light is up. So?
It's not seven days as you posted. It's not always a private domain. God must get a kick out of the post and string and telephone poles and lines to get around his law.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
I'll repeat this one for you so you get up to speed in the thread.

It's from your Orthodox Union, the experts. So it is about $$$$. I just need to know how much, which you will never find out, so I can take a tax deduction for a religious donation.:):)

Bottled Water
OU Kosher Staff
All unflavored bottled water, seltzer and sparkling water is Kosher for Passover, even without any Kosher supervision.
It is about marketing. If you have a problem with how a product markets, don't use the product. Go move someplace which has a spring and drink your own water instead of complaining about it.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
It's not seven days as you posted. It's not always a private domain. God must get a kick out of the post and string and telephone poles and lines to get around his law.
No, it IS seven days. Once the eiruv is up, it doesn't know what day of the week it is. If yom kippur is on a Wednesday, then the domain is also private on Wednesday. It is always a private domain. And your assertion that the eiruv gets around the law ignores that the same people who posited that hotza'ah is a law presented the eiruv. You like one but not the other...that's strange.
 

Wharton

Active Member
It is about marketing. If you have a problem with how a product markets, don't use the product. Go move someplace which has a spring and drink your own water instead of complaining about it.
Absolutely not. If there is no need for kosher water as the OU states, then why do they approach companies and make them pay for the kosher symbol?

Why should I move?

You need to keep your dietary laws in the private domain and out of the public domain.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
I try to avoid fluoride which isn't good for the GI tract. Brita, PUR and Zero Water don't remove fluoride.
So buy Famous Ramona Water. Or Hillcrest. Or Joe Muggs. How about Hickory Springs? Should I find you some more?
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Absolutely not. If there is no need for kosher water as the OU states, then why do they approach companies and make them pay for the kosher symbol?

Why should I move?

You need to keep your dietary laws in the private domain and out of the public domain.
They "make them pay" because the symbol is trademarked and the companies WANT TO HAVE IT. If I have something and they want it, why shouldn't they pay. If they didn't think it was to their advantage to have it, they wouldn't pay. That's how a market works. Are you new to this idea? You can feel free to buy some other product and stop complaining that I have food to eat.
 

Wharton

Active Member
They "make them pay" because the symbol is trademarked and the companies WANT TO HAVE IT. If I have something and they want it, why shouldn't they pay. If they didn't think it was to their advantage to have it, they wouldn't pay. That's how a market works. Are you new to this idea? You can feel free to buy some other product and stop complaining that I have food to eat.
WANT TO HAVE IT? BS. There's no capitalist company that will pay for something that's not needed. It's an unnecessary expense.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
WANT TO HAVE IT? BS. There's no capitalist company that will pay for something that's not needed. It's an unnecessary expense.
Seems like lots of companies think it isn't needed. Monadnock Mountain Spring Water for example. Maybe they aren't capitalists. Maybe big companies figure it is needed, in order to keep up with other businesses that have it. You should sue, or complain to them that their practice of capitalism isn't in line with how you want to spend your money. Maybe all their marketing is an unnecessary expense that I hate paying for when I buy a product. Isn't there a line item veto on my receipt?
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Did I mention Chippewa Spring water? I don;t remember if I mentioned Chippewa Spring Water. Anyway, Chippewa Spring Water.
 
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