The Lie of Evolution and the Stupidity of Those Who Believe in It

[SkepticThinker]

Because -- there is an unequivocal big gap between the thinking ability of men (humans) and apes. And ants.

Because humans wear clothes?

Bats use echolocation to navigate their environment. Humans don't. Lions can run up to 80 km/h. Humans can't. So there are big gaps there as well.
What's the significance of your gap example?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, humans are the ONLY ONES who are known to consider eternal life. NOT animals. We have a life cycle, destined to die right now.
But it wasn't always that way, and it will not be that way in the future.

So humans are able to fantasize. So what?
You don't think other animals can contemplate the past or future?

Men pay for funerals. Animals do not. Another big difference between the acknowledgement of life and death between animals and humans.

What a strange and very specific example. You think that other animals aren't aware of life and death?

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, humans are the ONLY ONES who are known to consider eternal life. NOT animals. We have a life cycle, destined to die right now. But it wasn't always that way, and it will not be that way in the future. Men pay for funerals. Animals do not. Another big difference between the acknowledgement of life and death between animals and humans.

Thats religious humans who have been brainwashed onto the god will save you thing despite the 100% lack of evidence

Whst wasn't always that way, .are you saying ancient humans didn't have dna?

In consider your funeral argument to be the biggest straw man you have ever used, that i know of, there may be those i dont know
Again paying for funerals is religious trait designed by priests as a get rich quick scheme. Man in the past, before religion didn't pay for funerals. In some cultures even after religion got it grip on us.

 

[Segev Moran]

Of course there is no physical evidence, evidence is not in the mind but is physical.

Gravity can be measured, it is a physical force.

so does God.
You need to learn how to see its physical affects.
What I've meant is, that you can observe and measure God affects, but not God itself, like gravity.

As i said, there is no evidence for god, if anyone could provide such evidence then there is a Nobel prize waiting for them, they would have the worlds religious and political leaders on their speed dial. Such evidence would be a huge thing, by its nature it would necessarily destroy faith.

No, there is no evidence but there is faith. There is faith because there is no evidence.

There is Faith regarding what God is (to some part), not whether or not it exits. that one of the first things you learn about Jewish religion.
As claimed in the Jewish scriptures....You will KNOW god. belief is not enough in the Jewish religion.

 

[SkepticThinker]

so does God.
You need to learn how to see its physical affects.
What I've meant is, that you can observe and measure God affects, but not God itself, like gravity.

What are those effects?

There is Faith regarding what God is (to some part), not whether or not it exits. that one of the first things you learn about Jewish religion.
As claimed in the Jewish scriptures....You will KNOW god. belief is not enough in the Jewish religion.

 

[Segev Moran]

First, it is rude to answer a question with a question. You are just evading my question. That just means all you have is subjective evidence from your mind.

LOL, Obviously you didn't even read the the first part of what I wrote.

 

[ratiocinator]

so does God.
You need to learn how to see its physical affects.
What I've meant is, that you can observe and measure God affects, but not God itself, like gravity.

You keep saying this but never explain what the objective effects are. You also haven't explained why, if they are objective tests, people don't come to the same conclusions about them.

 

[ChristineM]

so does God.
You need to learn how to see its physical affects.
What I've meant is, that you can observe and measure God affects, but not God itself, like gravity.

There is Faith regarding what God is (to some part), not whether or not it exits. that one of the first things you learn about Jewish religion.
As claimed in the Jewish scriptures....You will KNOW god. belief is not enough in the Jewish religion.

I am betting you cannot show me measurable "god effects" that are not easily explained.


I am not jewish nor is over 99% of the world population. And yes, that less than 1% has faith in what god is to them. Funnily enough, most of the worlds population have their own faith of what god is to them.

Notice a theme here.. faith?

 

[leroy]

Strange how when it pops your bubble it becomes irrelevant.

What?

It is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with the quote that you where answering.

So I provided definitions for “random” do you agree with them?

 

[ChristineM]

It is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with the quote that you where answering.

So I provided definitions for “random” do you agree with them?

It has everything to do with the topic

You provided what? A dictionary definition of random : made, done, or happening without method or conscious decision.

I agree with the dictionary, do you?

 

[Muffled]

I believe some very intelligent people believe in evolution.

 

[Muffled]

Not to mention a poor knowledge of cladistics.

I like to remind people that inorganic substances are essential for life and without them life wouldn't even be around.

Even inorganic matter plays an essential and vital role within organic systems by which we evolve.

I believe my body needs a whole bunch of them. Iron, Zinc, Potassium, Calcium for some.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

LOL, Obviously you didn't even read the the first part of what I wrote.

All you have done is evade, like your doing now.

 

[Muffled]

They know evolution is proven beyond doubt and that they cannot attack it in any meaningful way but are unwilling to admit it because it pops their faith in god bubble so they build irrelevant straw men and throw sticks at it.

I consider this to be deliberate ignorance.

I believe I don't know that evolution is proven beyond doubt. I don't even have a clue how one could think that could happen.

 

[Muffled]

Sure, I just thought there might be someone about willing to defend the position since someone created a post about it. And, really hoping it might help someone still confused about evolution.

I believe I doubt that. I have argued this issue many times and the bottom line seems to be it must be proven because we say it is. That does not eliminate any confusion for me.

 

[Muffled]

In the simplest terms, it's over their heads. They can't see anything but a figment of their imaginations as a placeholder, that big monster under the bed they dread, because they don't recognize it is entirely a creation of their own fears. No different then that five year old who has to have the lights turned on so they can sleep. Creationism is an attempt of their inner child to get mom and dad to turn the lights on and tell them everything is ok, that the monster they imagine isn't real at all. It's a creation born out of ignorance and fear.

I believe that is a less than helpful analogy. There is nothing wrong with evolution per se. The problem is that He said He created things and that statement has more value than man's imaginings.

 

[Nakosis]

I believe I doubt that. I have argued this issue many times and the bottom line seems to be it must be proven because we say it is. That does not eliminate any confusion for me.

To me, the reality of evolution seems self-evident. At least once one gets past any misunderstandings and I'm not overly smart. I figure if I can get it most other folks can as well.

 

[Muffled]

To me, the reality of evolution seems self-evident. At least once one gets past any misunderstandings and I'm not overly smart. I figure if I can get it most other folks can as well.

I believe the term self evident is used when something can't be proven. Usually such things are not evident to me.

 

[Nakosis]

I believe the term self evident is used when something can't be proven. Usually such things are not evident to me.

Evolution is simply change. I think most would agree there are differences between an offspring and it's parents. Overtime a species changes. People get taller, shorter, more/less hair. Some folks are more susceptible to a disease and die before they can procreate. Those more resistant live longer procreate more. So it's not that they developed an immunity because of the environment. Genetic drift causes changes. Sometimes those changes allow one set of genetics to win the race in procreation. Sometimes it's environmental survivability, sometimes it may because blue eyes become popular to procreate with. Like albinos is a genetic change. If albinos suddenly became popular, folks would want to procreate with them passing their genetics more often.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe the term self evident is used when something can't be proven. Usually such things are not evident to me.

That is a valid complaint. But if you are a creationist then you probably have a faulty understanding of the concept of evidence. If you understood the concept of evidence, and I would gladly go over it with you, then it is easy to show the evidence for evolution. Since this is a scientific discussion to keep it in context the best definition of "evidence" to use is that of scientific evidence. It is also a well defined version so it is easy to see if something is evidence or not:

"Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls."

Scientific evidence - Wikipedia