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The limitations of Vairagya (renunciation)

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
I refer to @Acintya_Ash 's statement in the thread Question for Gaudiya Vaishnava's | ReligiousForums.com : ''Sri Madhvacharya says "bhakti combined with jnana and vairagya is the only path for attainment of Moksha, one should first practice 'Vairagya' which leads to 'bhakti' which in turn leads to the desire for 'jnana'; once the path is laid the two, jnana and bhakti go hand-in-hand to lead us in the path of attaining His grace, which alone can grant us the ultimate goal of reaching His abode."

This post is to explore the concept of Vairagya in terms of what it actually is as alluded to by Madhavacharya and developed by Sri Swami Sivananda. The thread is designed to collate as much information as possible on this topic and to analyse its role in the various ideas relating to Hinduism and therefore its limitations.

I will start by quoting from the book by Sri Swami Sivananda (http://www.dlshq.org/download/vairagya.pdf) . He said:

''In enjoyment there is fear of disease, in social position, the fear of falling off, in wealth, the fear of (hostile) kings; in honour the fear of humiliation; in power, the fear of foe men; in beauty, the fear of old age; in scriptural erudition, the fear of opponents; in virtue, the fear of traducers; in body, the fear of death. All things of this world pertaining to human beings are attended with fear; renunciation alone stands for fearlessness''

Thus Sri Swami Sivananda has clearly equated Vairagya with renunciation. He elaborates on how to get Vairagya as follows:
''1. Hari Om. Sensual pleasure is momentary, deceptive, illusory and imaginary.
2. A mustard of pleasure is mixed with a mountain of pain.
3. Enjoyment cannot bring about satisfaction of a desire. On the contrary, it makes the mind more restless after enjoyment through intense craving (Trishnas and Vasanas).
4. Sensual pleasure is an enemy of Brahma-jnana.
5. Sensual pleasure is the cause of birth and death.
6. The body is nothing but a mass of flesh, bone and all sorts of filth.
7. Place before the mind the fruits of Self-Realisation or life in the soul or Brahman or the Eternal, such as immortality, Eternal bliss, supreme peace and Infinite knowledge.

If you remember the seven points always, the mind will be weaned from the cravings of sensual pleasures. Vairagya, Viveka and Mumukshtia (dispassion, discrimination from the real and the unreal, and keen longing for liberation from birth and death) will dawn. You should seriously look into the defects of sensual life (Dosha-Drishti) and into the unreal nature of worldly life (Mithya-Drishti)

Read this once daily as soon as you get up from bed.''

I do not know why Sri Swami Sivananda begins his prescription with 'Hari Om'. Hari is Sri Krishna as far as I know. Does Sri Krishna really want all humans to be renunciates who do not indulge in sensual pleasures? The whole of human biology and evolution that makes humanity progress in all sorts of ways (to improve living conditions and to ensure that there is a future generation) is centred on the fulfilment of sensual pleasures. Why would He create us in this way and then say that give up all your sensual pleasures and become renunciates. It does not make any sense to me.

Secondly, we have our duties and responsibilities to fulfull, towards our families and to society as our dharma. Is that not a desire that has the blessing of Sri Krishna?

So how are we to understand the words 'attachment' and 'renunciation' and their place in Hinduism.

Sri Krishna advises to do ones duty and righteous actions without looking at the fruits of that dharma. That is the realisation or self-realisation of a bhakta of Sri Krishna. I do not think Gaudiya Vaishnavas will argue with that. I have no doubt that He says in the Gita, between karma and renunciation, the former is superior. This raises the question, does Sri Krishna advise people to aim for liberation from this world or to take part in it?

Having said that I agree with Sri Swami Sivananda that sensual pleasure is the enemy of Brahma-jnana, which I take to mean Realisation through the process of truth-seeking that leads to the abode of Sri Krishna. Thus, the vairagya of renunciates is absolutely limited to people who want total liberation: sadhus and monks, who have no business getting married and having children and have no comment to pass on what happens in society. They should live in ashrams or in the forests or on the banks of Ganga river as sanyassis. This is not a criticism of renunciation, but a straightforward fact that needs to be understood.

Specific to the original statement of this post on what Madhavacharya stated: it is incorrect to say that vairagya has to be practiced first as being the only path to His abode. Vairagya in its lesser form of pursing desires but with disattachment and faith comes during the process of jnana through bhakti in as much as is required for attaining His grace and reaching His abode.

In conclusion, I do not believe God wishes us to be renunciates in preference to leading a life of dharma in which we use our bodies as we are endowed to do what is right in society.
 
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Acintya_Ash

Bhakta
You have misunderstood vairagya. Yukta-vairagya - Vaniquotes

Vairagya is purely an internal mental state. A man may remain in the busy world amidst
various luxuries, women and wealth, and yet he may possess perfect Vairagya, while a Sadhu who
lives in a cave in the far off regions of the Himalayas may be greatly attached to his Kamandalu,
walking stick or piece of cloth.
 
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Shantanu

Well-Known Member
You have misunderstood vairagya. Yukta-vairagya - Vaniquotes

Vairagya is purely an internal mental state. A man may remain in the busy world amidst
various luxuries, women and wealth, and yet he may possess perfect Vairagya, while a Sadhu who
lives in a cave in the far off regions of the Himalayas may be greatly attached to his Kamandalu,
walking stick or piece of cloth.
Is this meaningless concoction taken from the dream world of Gaudiya Vaishnavism?
 

shivsomashekhar

Well-Known Member
Vairagya is for people who intend to renounce worldly life and attachments - not some day in the future, but now. It is obviously not for householders. When Swami Shivananda, et al., talk about Vairagya, they have *Sanyasis* in mind.

This can be a dangerous problem for Western Hindus who are encouraged (by some Gurus) to renounce when in the midst of family life, refrain from sex with the spouse, etc.

It would be a neurotic state where - in the name of Vairagya - a parent practices indifference to the child's pain or the employee tries to be unconcerned about career growth. A bad idea that can never work in real life.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
This can be a dangerous problem for Western Hindus who are encouraged (by some Gurus) to renounce when in the midst of family life, refrain from sex with the spouse, etc.

It would be a neurotic state where - in the name of Vairagya - a parent practices indifference to the child's pain or the employee tries to be unconcerned about career growth. A bad idea that can never work in real life.
One may have 'vairagya' while being part of a family, but 'vairagya' does not obliterates the necessity of 'dharma'. One still has to fulfill one's 'dharma'. I do not think one gains anything by refraining from sex. There comes a time naturally when one abandons sex. Everything at the right time.
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It would be a neurotic state where - in the name of Vairagya - a parent practices indifference to the child's pain or the employee tries to be unconcerned about career growth. A bad idea that can never work in real life.

So astute. There needs to be a clear difference taught between sannyasin and householder. Sometimes the two get overlapped, and it just causes problems. 'Sannyasins' who are in the money making business, and householders trying to renounce, are both unnatural processes. A wise Guru would keep the messages separate, understanding the audience. Of course certain topics apply to both. But if a young person (convert), having no training about the two paths, hears the message for renunciates, and isn't ready for it ... well, expect trouble.

In householder life the idea of control is still there, but it's not as extreme. With regard to sexuality, 'control' would be putting it on a schedule, for example.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
It is quite possible for one to be a householder and do ones duties as needed and when these are done to live like a renunciate because one is living a minimalist existence with the bare minimum of involvements, not commenting on the world around one because of the realisation that God is there, and has been protecting and embracing the seeker so totally. As one is also no longer living to the gratification of the senses, perhaps this is what vairagya is.
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Yes, sannyasin the final stage of life is that ... a withdrawal into the senses. However, this is not to be confused with Sannyasin, the lifetime vow undertaken by celibate renunciates when they consider the two paths, after the brahmacarya (student) stage.

Now ... there are two words here (sannyasin, and brahmacarya)that have two meanings, and both have caused much confusion over the years, as people intertwine them. It's really too bad that the language didn't develop as to have two separate words for these things.

sannyasin 1) the final (ashrama) stage of life, entered into naturally around age 70, a more contemplative time, spent at home generally, when sadhana and religious practice increases, people in other stages take care of needs.
2) celibate monk under lifetime vows, may be a sadhu (wanderer) or a member of a monastery (math, mutt, aadheenam)

I personally think that meaning 1 may well be a preparation for 2, at least a time for the soul to contemplate that decision ion the following life.

brahmacarya 1) the first stage of life, from birth until age 20 or so, as a child and then student, a time of preparation for the next 3 ashramas.
2) total celibacy
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Yes, sannyasin the final stage of life is that ... a withdrawal into the senses. However, this is not to be confused with Sannyasin, the lifetime vow undertaken by celibate renunciates when they consider the two paths, after the brahmacarya (student) stage.

Now ... there are two words here (sannyasin, and brahmacarya)that have two meanings, and both have caused much confusion over the years, as people intertwine them. It's really too bad that the language didn't develop as to have two separate words for these things.

sannyasin 1) the final (ashrama) stage of life, entered into naturally around age 70, a more contemplative time, spent at home generally, when sadhana and religious practice increases, people in other stages take care of needs.
2) celibate monk under lifetime vows, may be a sadhu (wanderer) or a member of a monastery (math, mutt, aadheenam)

I personally think that meaning 1 may well be a preparation for 2, at least a time for the soul to contemplate that decision ion the following life.

brahmacarya 1) the first stage of life, from birth until age 20 or so, as a child and then student, a time of preparation for the next 3 ashramas.
2) total celibacy
The four stages in ashramas (brahmacharya through to sanyass) is just the practical method that has been devised by Hindus of using one's age to various purposes in a logical sequence. Renunciation from realisation of God is something else.
 
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Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Yes, that what I said. But don't you mean renunciation FOR, instead of renunciation from?
In my experience, once a person has seen God's power, wisdom, intelligence and glorious nature, as an individual the person cannot return to doing anything that harms Nature and so minimises his needs, which means controlling the senses as tightly as possible. In doing so he appears to be renouncing the material things around him and rids himself of his ego as well; for he sees that there is no point in trying to influence things in society because of who is actually in control over all our lives as human beings. This is just the reality that the person comes up against, the fact that it is not right to do anything other than take the bare minimum necessary from Nature to survive (as the person must do). This is what I mean by renunciation from realisation of God.

I do not know for sure that renunciation for realisation works in its aim of attaining realisation of God; but it may have an effect of liberating the mind off attachments and desires. I do not know because I did not engage in this practice, so I do not have proof that control over one's senses is seen by God as a good thing that deserves the yogadaan (gift) of God-realisation. I gave up living to desires as I began to know God. God has to assist the process of realisation, it is not an automatic thing that happens even if one practices any kind of yoga and meditation, let alone renunciation. But as I said perhaps it is a legitimate process for God realisation that others who have attained it have vouched for, not least Madhavacharya and Swami Sivananda.

However, on the issue of ashramas specifically, what good is it to practice sanyasshood at 70 years of age when the body is no longer able to do much like having sex, playing sports, and doing other things for enjoyment to derive sensual pleasure. In no way can giving up things in old age be considered as any kind of control over ones senses. So I doubt if it can lead to God-realisation in any meaningful way. But of course it must be soothing to the mind to know that one is going out of existence in a spiritual way as a way of thanking God for the life one has lived.
 
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