"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Muffled]

God indeed is a living God and this same God says to us "Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God" - Matthew 4:4 and again "All scripture (the written word) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." - 2 Timothy 3:16.

Take Care

I believe I have about s close a relationship as one can get with God. I don't have to be careful because He cares for me.

 

[Muffled]

God and Jesus tell us what to do through the scriptures we are to believe and follow. Jesus and all the Apostles believed and obeyed Gods commandments and taught everyone to follow them, including how to correctly keep the Sabbath. You do err not knowing scripture. (Matthew 5:17-28)

I believe scripture can give a general direction for everyone but it is Jesus who directs my life personally.

 

[Soapy]

Your response here...

I think it might be time to put you on the ignore list Soapy if you are going to continue to ask question already directly answered from the scripture in the posts you are quoting from as it only shows me that you are not even reading the posts you are responding to (see the link in the post above that has already answered your posts question in the post you are responding to that has already been answered more than once now). Also, the post here only supports what I have already said to you it does not support what you are saying. Do you know why? Rest is the root word of shabbath which is a verb or action word of how the Sabbath is kept. The shabbath (Sabbath) is a noun or descriptive word of what is being kept by resting and it is defined in the Hebrew and the scriptures as "the seventh day" of the seek that God blessed, and made a holy day of rest. So even if you do not understand what you are writing here your link is agreeing with what I have already shared with you. Go look them up for yourself shabbath (H7676 - noun) is not the same as shabath (H7673 - verb). The former comes out of the latter meaning we rest on "the seventh day" of the week. The Sabbath (noun) means "the seventh day" not rest which is the root verb that Sabbath comes from in the Hebrew.

There are many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament scriptures. They are not all the same thing. We are discussing Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; 1 John 3:4) that God calls us to "remember" because he knew everyone would forsake and forget. As posted earlier there is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath according to the scriptures, because there were no Jews when Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind (see Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3). Lets be honest Soapy there is not a single thing you have said here that can be supported by scripture. Breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures *see James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4; Romans 7:7 and Romans 3:20.

Rest is the root word of shabbath which is a verb or action word of how the Sabbath is kept. The shabbath (Sabbath) is a noun or descriptive word of what is being kept by resting and it is defined in the Hebrew and the scriptures as "the seventh day" of the seek that God blessed, and made a holy day of rest. So even if you do not understand what you are writing here your link is agreeing with what I have already shared with you. Go look them up for yourself shabbath (H7676 - noun) is not the same as shabath (H7673 - verb). The former comes out of the latter meaning we rest on "the seventh day" of the week. The Sabbath (noun) means "the seventh day" not rest which is the root verb that Sabbath comes from in the Hebrew.

Please show the evidence for the extract from your post. I can find no such reference anywhere.

 

[Soapy]

Honestly it look like there is two kind of the Lords day, one Jewish and one Christian. The Jewish is Saturday and the Christian is Sunday.


The Jewish Sabbath (from Hebrew shavat, “to rest”) is observed throughout the year on the seventh day of the week—Saturday. According to biblical tradition, it commemorates the original seventh day on which God rested after completing the creation.

The Christian one say.
We believe that the Lord's Day, celebrated on Sunday, the first day of the week, throughout the Christian church, is the Christian sabbath, which we reverently observe as a day of rest and worship and as the continuing memorial of our Savior's resurrection

Jewish religious year - The Sabbath

Sabbath in Christianity - Wikipedia.

3rdAngel is a little confused as to what ‘Sabbath’ means.

He’s struggling and trying to claim that it means ‘7th day’.

So, in his mind, ‘Sabbath day’ means ‘7th day day rest’ as far as I can work out….

Yes, you are right, it doesn’t make any sense!!!

 

[3rdAngel]

this is the LAST time I will try to reason with you. look carefully at verse 27 which you quote. "27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.
now it was God who created them male and female.... follow so far? now let the Lord Jesus tell us if God is a he, (single person) or them ... us or our, (a plurality), that created Man male and female. ATTENTION ON DECK THIS IS THE LORD JESUS SPEAKING. Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
he, is a single person. the Lord Jesus who cannot lie say "God" is a "he" when he made man male and female. ans as before, our brother Mark who recorded the same conversation say the "he" in Matthews 19:4 is God. Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." THERE IT IS IN BLACK AND WHITE, God is a "he", a single person when he made man male and female.

now third angel if you cannot believe the written word of God then there is nothing else for u and I to discuss.

to anyone else who may follow this topic and posts, is there anyone else out there who do not understand what the Lord Jesus said about God as a "HE" when he made man male and female? if you don't understand please post your concerns.

else, 3rd Angel this conversation between u and I is ended. for if one cannot accept God word as true, then we walk not together.

101G.

Non responsive to the post you were quoting from. You are just repeating yourself without responding to the scripture context and Hebrew word meanings that show both the oneness and plurality of God in the creation of all mankind. Your post here was addressed earlier and you simply ignored the context of Genesis 1:27 and the Hebrew word meaning of God and other words in Genesis 1:27 proving plural individual God. As posted earlier...

YIKES! You still do not understand the plural application and oneness of God. Why are you are ignoring the context and plural application to God in the scripture you provided in Genesis 1:27? Watch very closely as we add the scripture context back into Genesis 1:27 and look at the Hebrew word meanings in Genesis 1:27...

• GENESIS 1:26-27 26 And GOD said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing. 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE GENESIS 1:26

1. Who is making man? Let US make man (plural) - Genesis 1:26
2. Whose image is man being made in? OUR image - Genesis 1:26
3. Whose likeness is man being made after? OUR likeness - Genesis 1:26
4. Hebrew GOD, (masculine plural) US and OUR (2x) is used as first person common plural - Genesis 1:26

The above shows the plural application to God which is the context of Genesis 1:27. Now lets look at the detail now of Genesis 1:27 in the next verse

• GENESIS 1:27 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS THE IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

So as you can see looking at the above if you do not understand the plurality of God as shown in Genesis 1:26 which is the context you left out of Genesis 1:27 you have a contradiction in your understanding of the scriptures. So what is the solution? It is the context of Genesis 1:27 that shows God as not singular but plural. This is also shown in the Hebrew in scriptures in Genesis 1:27 lets continue and look at the Hebrew meanings of some key words in Genesis 1:27. Lets start by looking at the Hebrew word for God and His here in Genesis 1:27

• GOD H430 אֱלֹהִים (ʼĕlôhîym | el-o-heem'). This is the Hebrew word for God in v27 and is the plural derivation: plural form of אֱלֹוהַּ; (meaning deity or a God - singular).

• HIS OWN IMAGE H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem | tseh'-lem) Derivation: from an unused root meaning to shade; Strong's: a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol. This is third person masculine singular. This mean it is not God talking but the narrator referring to God plural as shown in the meaning of God above and in Genesis 1:26 as plural application to deity or God as a plural God. There is no "in his own" it was added in by the translators. In the Hebrew H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem) means image but its used in the third person masculine.

So there you have it. Plural individual God's not singular with Genesis 1:27 in agreement with Genesis 1:26. One God plural application all of one mind.Sorry dear friend but you are absolutely wrong here. Get yourself and Interlinear, Lexicon and Hebrew Dictionary and check for yourself.

 

[3rdAngel]

Honestly it look like there is two kind of the Lords day, one Jewish and one Christian. The Jewish is Saturday and the Christian is Sunday.


The Jewish Sabbath (from Hebrew shavat, “to rest”) is observed throughout the year on the seventh day of the week—Saturday. According to biblical tradition, it commemorates the original seventh day on which God rested after completing the creation.

The Christian one say.
We believe that the Lord's Day, celebrated on Sunday, the first day of the week, throughout the Christian church, is the Christian sabbath, which we reverently observe as a day of rest and worship and as the continuing memorial of our Savior's resurrection

Jewish religious year - The Sabbath

Sabbath in Christianity - Wikipedia.

Hey SOL nice to meet you and welcome. Thank you also for trying to bring the OP topic back for discussion as it has been ignored in most of this thread unfortunately. I guess though my response would be to your post is that there is no scripture in all the bible that says that God's 4th commandment "seventh day Sabbath" which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken (see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4) has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as the new Sabbath in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. From what I can see this is a man-made teaching and tradition handed down from the Roman Catholic Church that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God going against the very warnings of Jesus given in Matthew 15:3-9.

Getting back to the OP in regards to Revelation 1:10 there is no scripture in all the bible that links Sunday or the first day of the seek to "the Lords day" and we are discussing scripture here not tradition. As posted in the OP..

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

• WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)

• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

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Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

 

[3rdAngel]

I believe the answer is easy: The Bible is not God Jesus is.

Agreed, however the bible is the Word of God that comes from God where we receive Gods' grace, mercy, love and salvation, and shows us what to believe and do in order to follow God and be saved and is the only rule and test of genuine saving faith according to the scriptures.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ God indeed is a living God and this same God says to us "Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God" - Matthew 4:4 and again "All scripture (the written word) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." - 2 Timothy 3:16.

Your response here...

I believe I have about s close a relationship as one can get with God. I don't have to be careful because He cares for me.

God does care for all those who believe and follow what His Word says and will never leave and forsake them. God also loves the unbelievers and those who love sin more than God. However the latter will not receive Gods' salvation because they do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says in order to receive His forgiveness of sin. I do not judge you but according to Jesus it is the Words of God we accept of reject that become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48). According to the scriptures we are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not. (2 Corinthians 13:5). There is also a test to know if we know God and do not know God and that is if we are obedient to Gods' Word and keep His commandments *see 1 John 2:3-4. Gods 4th commandment is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. * see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ God and Jesus tell us what to do through the scriptures we are to believe and follow. Jesus and all the Apostles believed and obeyed Gods commandments and taught everyone to follow them, including how to correctly keep the Sabbath. You do err not knowing scripture. (Matthew 5:17-28)

Your response here...

I believe scripture can give a general direction for everyone but it is Jesus who directs my life personally.

The scriptures are Gods' inspired words for all mankind (2 Timothy 3:16) they make us wise and give us knowledge as to how we are to be saved (2 Timothy 3:15) and Jesus says we are to live by them in Matthew 4:4. Therefore, the scriptures are the only rule of faith as to what is right and what is wrong. Tell me if the scriptures teach we are saved by Gods' grace THROUGH FAITH in Ephesians 2:8-9 then how can we have saving faith if we ignore Gods' Word (the scriptures) when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God? - Romans 10:17. There is no salvation outside of faith in Gods' Word according to the bible.

 

[3rdAngel]

I think it might be time to put you on the ignore list Soapy if you are going to continue to ask question already directly answered from the scripture in the posts you are quoting from as it only shows me that you are not even reading the posts you are responding to (see the link in the post above that has already answered your posts question in the post you are responding to that has already been answered more than once now). Also, the post here only supports what I have already said to you it does not support what you are saying. Do you know why? Rest is the root word of shabbath which is a verb or action word of how the Sabbath is kept. The shabbath (Sabbath) is a noun or descriptive word of what is being kept by resting and it is defined in the Hebrew and the scriptures as "the seventh day" of the seek that God blessed, and made a holy day of rest. So even if you do not understand what you are writing here your link is agreeing with what I have already shared with you. Go look them up for yourself shabbath (H7676 - noun) is not the same as shabath (H7673 - verb). The former comes out of the latter meaning we rest on "the seventh day" of the week. The Sabbath (noun) means "the seventh day" not rest which is the root verb that Sabbath comes from in the Hebrew.

There are many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament scriptures. They are not all the same thing. We are discussing Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; 1 John 3:4) that God calls us to "remember" because he knew everyone would forsake and forget. As posted earlier there is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath according to the scriptures, because there were no Jews when Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind (see Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3). Lets be honest Soapy there is not a single thing you have said here that can be supported by scripture. Breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures *see James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4; Romans 7:7 and Romans 3:20.

Your response here..

Please show the evidence for the extract from your post. I can find no such reference anywhere.

What specifically did you want evidence for in the post you are quoting from beside the scriptures already provided and the word meanings of Sabbath and rest? Be specific please you were already provided the BDB and other Hebrew and Greek dictionaries earlier in post # 1689 linked that you refused to respond to in favor of repeating what you said the first time proving everything that has already been shared with you here.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel is a little confused as to what ‘Sabbath’ means.

He’s struggling and trying to claim that it means ‘7th day’.

So, in his mind, ‘Sabbath day’ means ‘7th day day rest’ as far as I can work out….

Yes, you are right, it doesn’t make any sense!!!

Sorry but that is not true. Perhaps it is you who is confused Soapy? Evidence to what the Sabbath means has already been provided to you in the Hebrew, Greek and scriptures from Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries, and scripture. For example post # 1689 linked shows the Hebrew and Greek word definition of God's 4th commandment Sabbath as well as the bibles definition of Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath from scripture in Exodus 20:10. See also the difference between Shabbat and Shabat (Sabbath (noun) and rest (verb) two different Hebrew words H7676 and H7673) in post # 2047 linked). Your response has been to ignore this post and others showing why you are in error in thinking that the word Sabbath from God's 4th commandment which is a noun means rest. It doesn't.

 

[3rdAngel]

Eeek seems someone does not like this thread because it tells the truth

 

[Soapy]

Your response here..

What specifically did you want evidence for in the post you are quoting from beside the scriptures already provided and the word meanings of Sabbath and rest? Be specific please you were already provided the BDB and other Hebrew and Greek dictionaries earlier in post # 1689 linked that you refused to respond to in favor of repeating what you said the first time proving everything that has already been shared with you here.

The explicit request is for you to show the evidence that:

Rest is the root word of shabbath which is a verb or action word of how the Sabbath is kept. The shabbath (Sabbath) is a noun or descriptive word of what is being kept by resting

I cannot find anything anywhere that describes ‘Sabbath’ / ‘Shabbath’ the way you describe it in the extract quote from your post.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

Lets be honest here Soapy. You are not being truthful. It is you that is confused. This has been proven by providing evidence including both scripture and Hebrew and Greek word definitions posted to you on the meaning of Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath. The evidence proving what you are claiming is false has been provided to you in post # 1689 linked showing the Hebrew and Greek word definition of God's 4th commandment Sabbath as well as the bibles definition of Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath from scripture in Exodus 20:10. See also the difference between Shabbat and Shabat (Sabbath (noun) and rest (verb) two different Hebrew words H7676 and H7673) in post # 2047 linked. Your response has been to ignore this post and others showing why you are in error. If it does not make sense to you perhaps its time to start asking questions in regards to anything you are confused about and start praying and open your eyes and read the posts and scriptures that are in disagreement with you, instead of ignoring them and not responding to them and receive Gods' correction and be blessed.

I think we simply have to accept that those who do not believe in either the trinity or the Sabbath are really suffering on two fronts. Its bad enough if one is a problem, however, two? that's not going to be an easy one to convict said individuals that they really need to go back to the very basics and start over. They must start with the simple overall theme of the bible (its big picture) and then slowly work out from there.

When we see the big picture it is very clear in Genesis that God created the heavens and the earth in 7 days...he very clearly says "let us make man in our own image, in the image of God he created them male and female: It cannot be any clearer than that. Why is it so? because God through His inspired word said so. It is pointless to try to rearrange Gods own words into something they are not.

When we move to the Sabbath, we can see how it is that the 4th commandment is the glue that binds all of the others together. The first 3 commandments are all about love for God. The last 5 commandments are all about our love for our neighbour. The Sabbath ties them all together. The 4th commandment says "remember"...it does not say thou shalt...it says Remember. Its talking about us remember who it was that created us and why.

If we do not keep the Sabbath, we are not choosing to remember the very special day that God (at the beginning of time for this earth) set aside for communion with Him. This is why creation, the 10 commandments, and the Sabbath are critical to our salvation. Jesus himself said, I am Lord even of the Sabbath. If the Sabbath was not an important day, Jesus could have used any of the other 6 days of the week...but he didn't. He wasn't making a statement about changing the day, he was complaining (i suppose one could say) that the Jews had corrupted the Sabbath day and turned it into a burden. He said, "do good on the Sabbath".

Actuially for those who might be interested in genuinely researching this topic of the change of the Sabbath to Sunday, a Christian Scholar completed his Doctoral thesis inside the walls of the Gregorian University in Rome and wrote a book about it "From Sabbath to Sunday". His name is Samuel Bacchiochi. He was one of the first non catholic scholars to be given access to the Vatican in order to complete this work.

The most likely candidate for the change in day revolves around the revolt of the Jews in both AD 66 under Emporer Nero and then again in 133 under Emporer Hadrian.

indeed, the pagan reframing of Jerusalem may have been a strategic move designed to challenge, rather, the growing threat, pretensions and influence of converts to Christianity, for whom Jerusalem was likewise a crucial symbol of their faith.[61] Implementation of these plans led to violent opposition, and triggered a full-scale insurrection with the Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE), Jewish diaspora - Wikipedia
​

There is an interesting claim about the influence the second revolt had on the fledgling Christian church at the time. There is very strong evidence to suggest that the reason for the change in day of worship was because of a number of factors:

1. Christians attempting to distance themselves from the Jewish anarchists who twice caused significant problems for the Romans through revolts that eventually led to Jews being expelled from Jerusalem
2. The removal of Jewish leadership from the religious system and the installation of Gentile leadership.
3. Obviously there is the claim of the influence of the early Catholic church and we have in the time of Constantine ratification of the change in day of worship to reflect the resurrection. I have come to subscribe to the view that Constantine more than likely ratified Sunday as part of an effort to unify the church behind himself and his Empire. This church had already been corrupted by the efforts of Emperor Hadrian more than 150 years earlier and Rome clearly needed the support of the church in order to try to prevent its Empire from crumbling. For Constanine, one of the best ways to achieve this was to also bring both halves of the Empire under a single leader to make it stronger (which he achieved by AD 324) and he needed the support of the church in his endeavour to further strengthen the empire.

 

[Soapy]

Lets be honest here Soapy. You are not being truthful. It is you that is confused. This has been proven by providing evidence including both scripture and Hebrew and Greek word definitions posted to you on the meaning of Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath. The evidence proving what you are claiming is false has been provided to you in post # 1689 linked showing the Hebrew and Greek word definition of God's 4th commandment Sabbath as well as the bibles definition of Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath from scripture in Exodus 20:10. See also the difference between Shabbat and Shabat (Sabbath (noun) and rest (verb) two different Hebrew words H7676 and H7673) in post # 2047 linked. Your response has been to ignore this post and others showing why you are in error. If it does not make sense to you perhaps its time to start asking questions in regards to anything you are confused about and start praying and open your eyes and read the posts and scriptures that are in disagreement with you, instead of ignoring them and not responding to them and receive Gods' correction and be blessed.

‘Sabbath’ - to rest (from secular activity).

‘Sabbath Day’ - The day that is given to rest from work.

‘The Sabbath Day’ - In Judaism this is Friday sun down to Saturday sun down - the Seventh day of the Jewish week.

‘A Sabbath x’ is ‘A subject-defined period of non-x activity’

 

[Spirit of Light]

Hey SOL nice to meet you and welcome. Thank you also for trying to bring the OP topic back for discussion as it has been ignored in most of this thread unfortunately. I guess though my response would be to your post is that there is no scripture in all the bible that says that God's 4th commandment "seventh day Sabbath" which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken (see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4) has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as the new Sabbath in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. From what I can see this is a man-made teaching and tradition handed down from the Roman Catholic Church that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God going against the very warnings of Jesus given in Matthew 15:3-9.

Getting back to the OP in regards to Revelation 1:10 there is no scripture in all the bible that links Sunday or the first day of the seek to "the Lords day" and we are discussing scripture here not tradition. As posted in the OP..

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

• WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)

• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

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• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

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Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

Thank you for your reply
To answer your question of me providing scripture from the Bible, I have to say i can not do so, since I have little knowledge about the scriptures that is the Bible.
My only reason for answering the first time in this OP was that I seached for Sabbath day, and when I saw both a Jewish and a Christian Sabbath day, I replied with the links.

I understand that my limited knowledge about the topic in discussion make it impossible for me to reply further, but that is ok

 

[3rdAngel]

The explicit request is for you to show the evidence that: I cannot find anything anywhere that describes ‘Sabbath’ / ‘Shabbath’ the way you describe it in the extract quote from your post.

You need to buy yourself a Hebrew Greek Dictionary as well as a Lexicon and Interlinear and google up on how to use them. Your question here on the Hebrew words for rest (H7673) and Sabbath (H7676) that comes from the former have already been answered in post # 1689 linked and in post # 2047 linked. Here let me highlight the key parts and provide more evidence for you...

HEBREW DICTIONARY

SABBATH (H7676)

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H7676
שַׁבָּת (shabbâth | shab-bawth')
Derivation: intensive from שָׁבַת; (H7673 - rest)
Strong's: intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath
KJV: ([phrase] every) sabbath.
Cognate Group: H7673 (cease), H7676 (sabbath), H7678 (Shabbethai), H4868 (sabbath), H7674 (cease), H7677 (rest)

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, Unabridged - H7676
H7676. shabbath
שַׁבָּת noun feminine Ex 31:41+ and masculineIsa 66:2, 6 (under influence of יוֺם in frequent הַשּׁ ׳יוֺם, AlbrZAW xvi (1896), 47) sabbath ( = ת + שׁבת; Late Hebrew שַׁבָּת, Aramaic שַׁבְּתָא, ; perhaps Assyrian šabattum (||um nu— libbi, day of rest of heart (i.e. propitiation) [of deity]: only in lexical Tablets); compare LotzQuaest. de hist. Sabbati, 1883 JenZA iv (1889), 274 ff. (doubts connection of Assyrian word with Hebrew Sabbath) IdS. S. Times, Jan. 16, 1892, 35 f. Muss-ArnJBL xi (1892), 93 SchwIdioticon 127; see (more recently) JastrAmos. J. Theol. ii (1898), 332 ff. ToyTBL xviii (1899), 190 ff. DrHast. DB SABBATH (1902) ZimKAT 3. 592 ff.; ZMG 1904, 199 ff. [15th day of month so called]458ff.); — absolute ׳שׁ Exod 16:25 64t.; construct שַׁבַּת 16:23 10t.; suffix שַׁבַּתּוֺ Num 28:10 3t. suffix; plural שַׁבָּתוֺת Lev 23:15 7t.; construct שַׁבְּתתֹ 23:38; 25:3, 8; suffix שַׁבְּתוֺתַי Isa 56:4 +, etc.; —
1 sabbath:
a. primitive ׳שׁ ליהוה Exod 16:25 (J), 20:10 = Deut 5:14 (ten words) Lev 23:3 (P); ׳הַשּׁ Exod 16:29 (J); שׁ ׳הַשְּׁבִיעִי בַּיוֺם 16:26 (J); on seventh day הַשַּׁבָּת יוֺם 20:8, 11 = Deut 5:12, 15 (ten words), so throughout; Exod 31:15 3t. P, Jer 17:21; Ezek 46:4; Neh 10:32 9t., + (|| new moon) Isa 1:13; Ezek 46:1; 2Kin 4:23; Amos 8:5, compare Isa 66:23 (twice in verse), also חג and מועד Hosea 2:13; time of change of watch in temple 2Kin 11:5, 7, 9 (twice in verse) = 2Chr 23:4, 8 (twice in verse); ׳הַשּׁ מיסך (in temple) 2Kin 16:18; originally observed simply by abstinence from labour Exod 20:9-10, = Deut 5:12-14; Exod 23:12 (E), 34:21 (J; BrHex. 181-195).
b. Deuteronomic reason for day is deliverance from Egypt Deut 5:15, hence its consecration, לְקַדְּשׁוֺ 5:12 = Exod 20:8; השׁ יום ׳קדּשׁ Jer 17:22, 24, 27 (especially no load carried), Ezek 20:20; 44:24.
c. intensified by anith. שׁ ׳חלּל Ezek 20:13 5t. Ezekiel; compare Neh 13:18. Phrases in H: (ה)שׁ ׳שׁמר Lev 19:3, 10; 26:2, then P Exod 31:13-14, 16; compare Isa 56:2, 4, 6; י ׳קדושׁ קָדְשִׁי, יוֺם: 58:13 (twice in verse) (with כבּד). H also שַׁבְּתֹתֵיכֶם Lev 26:35; הַשּׁ ׳מִמָּחֳרַת 23:11, 15, 16; שַׁבְּתוֺתַי 19:3, 30; 26:2; Isa 56:4; Ezek 20:12; 22:26, +8 t. Ezekiel; || מוֺעֵד Lam 2:6.
d. P gives as basis God's resting Exod 20:11; 31:17; י ׳שׁבתות Lev 23:38; ליהוה ׳שׁ קדשׁ Exod 16:23, compare Neh 9:14, ׳שׁ שׁבתון Exod 31:15; 35:2; Lev 23:3; השׁ ׳עשׂה Exod 31:16, שׁ ׳עֹלַת בְּשַׁבַּתּוֺ Num 28:10, compare Isa 66:23; הַשּׁ ׳בְּיוֺם הַשּׁ ׳בְּיוֺם Lev 24:8 on every sabbath, abbreviation שַׁבָּת שַׁבַּת 1Chr 9:32; לַשַּׁבָּתוֺת || חֳדָשִׁים + מועדים 23:31 3t. Chronicles, Neh 10:34 (ל omitted by error); work punished by stoning Num 15:32, 36; trade prohibited Neh 10:32; 13:15-21.
2 day of atonement is a שַׁבָּתוֺן שַׁבַּת Lev 16:31; 23:32 (P), compare שַׁבָּת שָׁבַת 23:32 (P).
3 sabbath year, שַׁבָּתוֺן שַׁבַּת Lev 25:4 (H); ליהוה שַׁבָּת 25:2; 25:4 (H), (הארץׅ רצה שַׁבְּתוֺתֶיהָ 26:34 (twice in verse); 26:43 (H), 2Chr 36:21.
4 = week(?): שַׁבָּתוֺת שֶׁבַע Lev 23:15 (H), seven sabbaths or weeks; (ה)שָּׁנִים שַׁבְּתתֹ שֶׁבַע 25:8; Lev 28:8 (H) seven sabbaths or weeks (of years), uncertain (see Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 18:12; Matt 28:1, compare Jewish-Aramaic usage); possibly שַׁבָּת Isa 66:23 = week (Du).
5 הָאָ֫רֶץ שַׁבַּת Lev 25:6 (H) = produce in sabbath year (growing of itself).

SCRIPTURAL DEFINITION

• EXODUS 20:10 BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD...

REST / RESTED (H7673)

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, Unabridged - H7673
H7673. shabath
שָׁבַת71 verb cease, desist, rest (As šabâtu, probably cease, be completed DlWB ZimKAT 3. 593 (JenZA iv (1889), 277 f. is sceptical); Arabic cut off, interrupt; Late Hebrew has שֶׁבֶת neglect, etc., Aramaic שִׁבְתָּא cost of nealect); —
Qal27 Perfect3masculine singular ׳שׁ Gen 2:3 +; 3 plural שָׁבָ֑תוּ Lam 5:14, etc.; Imperfect3masculine singular יִשְׁבּוֺת Hosea 7:4; יִשְׁבֹּת Prov 22:10 2t.; 3 feminine singular תִּשְׁבֹּת Lev 26:35; תִּשְׁבַּת 26:34; Neh 6:3 +, etc.; —
1 cease: (absolute 13 t.) of seasons Gen 8:22 (J); manna Josh 5:12 (P), etc., Isa 14:4 (twice in verse); Neh 6:3 +; with מִן Hosea 7:4 3t.
2 desist from labour, rest:
a. with מִן (of god) Gen 2:2-3,(P).
b. מִן omitted, ב temporal Exod 23:12 (E), 16:30; 34:21 (J), 31:17 (P); שׁ וּבַקָּצִיר ׳בֶּחָרִישׁ 34:21 (J; i.e., even in these busy seasons).
c. land in 7th year Lev 26:34-35, (twice in verse) (H), 2Chr 36:21. — Lev 23:32; 25:2 see [ שָׁבַת] verb denominative below
Niph`al Perfect3masculine singular נִשְׁבַּת Isa 17:3 2t.; plural נִשְׁבְּתוּ Ezek 6:6; — cease: absolute 6:6; 30:18; 33:28; with מִן Isa 17:3.
Hiph`il40 Perfect3masculine singular הִשְׁבִּית Ruth 4:14 +; 2 masculine singular הִשְׁבַּתָּ Psa 89:45; 119:119, etc.; Imperfect3masculine singular יַשְׁבִּיתּ Prov 18:18; Dan 9:27; וַיַּשְׁבֵּת 2Kin 23:11; 2Chr 16:5, etc.; Infinitive construct הַשְׁבִּית Psa 8:3; לַשְׁבִּית Amos 8:4 (Ges§ 53q); Imperative masculine plural הַשְׁבִּ֫יתוּ Isa 30:11; Participle מַשְׁבִּית Jer 16:9; Psa 46:10; —
1 cause to cease, put an end to: with accusative mirth Hosea 2:13, work 2Chr 16:5; Neh 4:5; sacrifice Dan 9:27; war Psa 46:10, compare Isa 13:11; Ezek 7:24; Prov 18:18 6t., + ׳הִשׁ מִן שָׂשׂוֺן קוֺל Jer 7:34; 16:9, compare 48:33.
2 = exterminate, destroy: with accusative 2Kin 23:5, 11; Amos 8:4 (Now conjectures העשׁקים), Hosea 1:4; Psa 8:3; 119:119; with accusative + מִן, Jer 36:29, הָאָרֶץ מִן Lev 26:6 (H), Ezek 34:25; אלילים 30:13; Deut 32:26.
3 cause to desist from: with מִן Ezek 16:41; 34:10; Exod 5:5 (E = give rest from); לְבִלְתִּי infinitive Josh 22:25 (P).
4 remove ( = הֵסִיר מִן): with מִן Ezek 23:27, 48; Psa 89:45 (text dubious: read הִשְׁבַּתּוֺ [
3] ᵐ5 Du; הֹדוֺ מַטֵּה Herz Che, see also below טֳהָר); leaven מבתים Exod 12:15 (P); ׳הַשׁ ׳אֶחקֿ ׳ישׂר מִמָּנֵינוּ Isa 30:11.
5 cause to fail, let be lacking: salt מִנְחָתֶ֑ךָ מֵעַל Lev 2:12 (P); accusative pers + ל person Jer 48:35; Ruth 4:14.
[שָׁבַת] verb denominative keep, observe (sabbath); —
Qal, with accusative of congnate meaning with verb; Perfect3feminine singular לי ׳שַׁבָּת הָאָרֶץ וְשָֽׁבְתָה Lev 25:2; 2masculine plural שַׁבַּתְּכֶ֑ם תִּשְׁבְּתוּ עַדעֶֿרֶב מֵעֶרֶב 23:32 (P).

As shown above the creation Sabbath of Genesis 2:1-3 and Gods' commandment in Exodus 20:10 and the scripture definition to the creation Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-10 is the "seventh day of the week". The instructions on how to keep the "seventh day" that God blessed and made holy are given in Gods' 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-10. As shown above the Hebrew and Greek noun of H7676 and G4521 shabbath of Gods 4th commandment does not mean rest. It is a noun that is descriptive or a name applied to "the seventh day of the week". The word that Sabbath comes from though is שָׁבַת (shâbath | H7673) shabath (note one b instead of 2 between H7676 and H7673) is from Genesis 2:1-3 and means rest and is a action verb. So we keep the Sabbath by resting on the "seventh day" of the week while the name of the "seventh day" of God's weekly creation is simply called "the Sabbath" which is the noun of what we are to rest on. Rest is the root word of shabbath which is a verb or action word of how the Sabbath is kept. The shabbath (Sabbath) is a noun or descriptive word of what is being kept by resting and it is defined in the Hebrew and the scriptures as "the seventh day" of the seek that God blessed, and made a holy day of rest. So even if you do not understand what you are writing here your link is agreeing with what I have already shared with you. Go look them up for yourself shabbath (H7676 - noun) is not the same as shabath (H7673 - verb). The former comes out of the latter meaning we rest on "the seventh day" of the week. The Sabbath (noun) means "the seventh day" not rest which is the root verb that Sabbath comes from in the Hebrew.

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More evidence to the above see links below...

Two different words..

Rest (H7673)
Text Analysis Hebrew Genesis 2:2 Hebrew Text Analysis
Rest H7673 Strong's Hebrew: 7673. שָׁבַת (shabath) -- to

Sabbath (H7676)
Text Analysis Hebrew Exodus 20:10 Hebrew Text Analysis
Sabbath H7676 Strong's Hebrew: 7676. שַׁבָּת (shabbath) -- sabbath

Receive God's correction and be blessed. The Hebrew word for Sabbath does not mean rest. The Sabbath meaning in context to Exodus 20:10 is "the seventh day" of the week. Another words we keep the Sabbath by resting (verb). The word Sabbath however which is a noun (descriptive of what is being kept by resting) is every seventh day of the week. Rest (H7673) and Sabbath (H7676) are two different words and not the same thing.

 

[3rdAngel]

Thank you for your reply
To answer your question of me providing scripture from the Bible, I have to say i can not do so, since I have little knowledge about the scriptures that is the Bible.
My only reason for answering the first time in this OP was that I seached for Sabbath day, and when I saw both a Jewish and a Christian Sabbath day, I replied with the links.

I understand that my limited knowledge about the topic in discussion make it impossible for me to reply further, but that is ok

Thanks for your friendly and honest response.

 

[3rdAngel]

‘Sabbath’ - to rest (from secular activity).

‘Sabbath Day’ - The day that is given to rest from work.

‘The Sabbath Day’ - In Judaism this is Friday sun down to Saturday sun down - the Seventh day of the Jewish week.

‘A Sabbath x’ is ‘A subject-defined period of non-x activity’

See last response to you above. Proving different Hebrew words meanings to Sabbath (H7676) and rest (H7673). Rest is the root word which is a verb of where Sabbath which is a descriptive noun comes from. God's 4th commandment Sabbath is the seventh day noun not a verb (rest) that it comes from. Do you understand that the Hebrew for rest and Sabbath are two different Hebrew words (H7676 Shabbath and H7673 Shabath) and do you know the difference between a noun and a verb?

 

[3rdAngel]

I think we simply have to accept that those who do not believe in either the trinity or the Sabbath are really suffering on two fronts. Its bad enough if one is a problem, however, two? that's not going to be an easy one to convict said individuals that they really need to go back to the very basics and start over. They must start with the simple overall theme of the bible (its big picture) and then slowly work out from there.

When we see the big picture it is very clear in Genesis that God created the heavens and the earth in 7 days...he very clearly says "let us make man in our own image, in the image of God he created them male and female: It cannot be any clearer than that. Why is it so? because God through His inspired word said so. It is pointless to try to rearrange Gods own words into something they are not.

When we move to the Sabbath, we can see how it is that the 4th commandment is the glue that binds all of the others together. The first 3 commandments are all about love for God. The last 5 commandments are all about our love for our neighbour. The Sabbath ties them all together. The 4th commandment says "remember"...it does not say thou shalt...it says Remember. Its talking about us remember who it was that created us and why.

If we do not keep the Sabbath, we are not choosing to remember the very special day that God (at the beginning of time for this earth) set aside for communion with Him. This is why creation, the 10 commandments, and the Sabbath are critical to our salvation. Jesus himself said, I am Lord even of the Sabbath. If the Sabbath was not an important day, Jesus could have used any of the other 6 days of the week...but he didn't. He wasn't making a statement about changing the day, he was complaining (i suppose one could say) that the Jews had corrupted the Sabbath day and turned it into a burden. He said, "do good on the Sabbath".

Actuially for those who might be interested in genuinely researching this topic of the change of the Sabbath to Sunday, a Christian Scholar completed his Doctoral thesis inside the walls of the Gregorian University in Rome and wrote a book about it "From Sabbath to Sunday". His name is Samuel Bacchiochi. He was one of the first non catholic scholars to be given access to the Vatican in order to complete this work.

The most likely candidate for the change in day revolves around the revolt of the Jews in both AD 66 under Emporer Nero and then again in 133 under Emporer Hadrian.

indeed, the pagan reframing of Jerusalem may have been a strategic move designed to challenge, rather, the growing threat, pretensions and influence of converts to Christianity, for whom Jerusalem was likewise a crucial symbol of their faith.[61] Implementation of these plans led to violent opposition, and triggered a full-scale insurrection with the Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE), Jewish diaspora - Wikipedia
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There is an interesting claim about the influence the second revolt had on the fledgling Christian church at the time. There is very strong evidence to suggest that the reason for the change in day of worship was because of a number of factors:

1. Christians attempting to distance themselves from the Jewish anarchists who twice caused significant problems for the Romans through revolts that eventually led to Jews being expelled from Jerusalem
2. The removal of Jewish leadership from the religious system and the installation of Gentile leadership.
3. Obviously there is the claim of the influence of the early Catholic church and we have in the time of Constantine ratification of the change in day of worship to reflect the resurrection. I have come to subscribe to the view that Constantine more than likely ratified Sunday as part of an effort to unify the church behind himself and his Empire. This church had already been corrupted by the efforts of Emperor Hadrian more than 150 years earlier and Rome clearly needed the support of the church in order to try to prevent its Empire from crumbling. For Constanine, one of the best ways to achieve this was to also bring both halves of the Empire under a single leader to make it stronger (which he achieved by AD 324) and he needed the support of the church in his endeavour to further strengthen the empire.

Thanks good post Adam, I have a lot of historical references that support what your post is saying here. We also know that the scriptures are very clear. Thanks for sharing this as I think others will appreciate it.

God bless