"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[lostwanderingsoul]

And now, how about something new? Bible verses about the day of the Lord.Zeph 1:14-18 Near is the great day of the Lord. A day of wrath. A day of trouble. A day of destruction. Ezek 30:3-4 The day of the Lord is near. It will be a day of clouds. A time of doom for the nations. Amos 5:18-20 What purpose will the day of the Lord be to you? It will be a day of darkness and not light. Now the question. What does any of this have to do with Saturday or Sunday.

 

[YoursTrue]

Corrections are not attacks. I was trying to explain to you why some Christians believe what they believe and how they defend it. That is a flaw with the religion.

Scientists disagree amongst themselves and within the same category. Would you say that means it is also flawed?

 

[samtonga43]

Sorry, you only confirmed that I was correct in my decision. To me you do not appear to be debating honestly. Didn't we have a long back and forth about the flood myth where you were shown to be wrong no matter what you posted? I know losing that way can sting, but there is an easy solution. Admit that you were wrong and move on.

Debate properly and you can ask questions and expect an answer.

LOL!! This is hilariously ironic.

How can anyone have a serious discussion with someone who :--
1. Is unable to provide one shred of evidence for accusative statements he has made?
2. Pretends he is not answering honestly because the person he has accused falsely is not debating honestly!
3. Runs away because he is afraid to admit that he has no evidence.

Someone like this would not recognize an honest debate if he came across one.

 

[YoursTrue]

And now, how about something new? Bible verses about the day of the Lord.Zeph 1:14-18 Near is the great day of the Lord. A day of wrath. A day of trouble. A day of destruction. Ezek 30:3-4 The day of the Lord is near. It will be a day of clouds. A time of doom for the nations. Amos 5:18-20 What purpose will the day of the Lord be to you? It will be a day of darkness and not light. Now the question. What does any of this have to do with Saturday or Sunday.

Because the "lord's day" is not a 24-hour period. Remember what Jesus said, his Father continues working on the Sabbath. Thus the 24-hour Sabbath day observance is in a different category, which perhaps can be discussed later on. Notice what Jesus said when accused of breaking the Sabbath, not to be misunderstood as some do: He healed a man on the Sabbath.
"Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. 17But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.”18Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
So they accused him of breaking the Sabbath (in their eyes) and because he called God his Father distinctly they said he was therefore making himself equal with God. (John 5)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Scientists disagree amongst themselves and within the same category. Would you say that means it is also flawed?

The difference is that in the sciences there is a process of finding the answers. There does not appear to be the same process when it comes to the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL!! This is hilariously ironic.

How can anyone have a serious discussion with someone who :--
1. Is unable to provide one shred of evidence for accusative statements he has made?
2. Pretends he is not answering honestly because the person he has accused falsely is not debating honestly!
3. Runs away because he is afraid to admit that he has no evidence.

Someone like this would not recognize an honest debate if he came across one.

1 I can and I have. You are demonstrating that you have not followed conversations.

2. This is close to being reportable. And you appear to be contradicting yourself. Can you reword it?

3. Not answering bogus demands is not running away. I explained to you why I would not answer. 3rd only pretended not to see or somehow missed the same question being referred to time and time again. That is running away.

Please note, I acknowledged your question. I explained why your actions made it pointless for me to answer it. I gave you a course of action to follow. You refused. I did not run away. You are complaining about a condition that you were the author of.

 

[YoursTrue]

The difference is that in the sciences there is a process of finding the answers. There does not appear to be the same process when it comes to the Bible.

The Bible itself is telling readers that the people who covenanted with God in the wilderness, the Israelites, whether you believe it or not, who agreed to observe the Law often did not do so throughout the ages. There were consequences. And of course we see the divide amongst the so-called Abrahamic religions. As well as others. This does not mean that God is not watching and observing and making decisions.

 

[YoursTrue]

The difference is that in the sciences there is a process of finding the answers. There does not appear to be the same process when it comes to the Bible.

There will never be a process that explains absolutely about the origin of life except for the Bible. Still people have a lot to learn, don't you think?
But I forgot -- we're not on that subject, we're talking about -- days and the day and a day.

 

[YoursTrue]

The "LORD's Day" per Joel 2:31-32 is the day of judgment. The day of the Lord, the 7th day, would better refer to the millennium which follows the "LORD's Day" (day of judgment) and is a time when the nations/Gentiles who survive will be ruled with a rod of iron (Rev 19:15) from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16). It is a time when a reunited Judah and Ephraim will live in peace under their own grape vines on the land given to Jacob (Ezekiel 37), under the rule of king David. Many "strangers"/Gentiles will volunteer to become servants to Jacob/Israel. (Is 14:1-2). Many of the nations/Gentiles, will be sold into slavery (Joel 3:8). It will be time when the nations/Gentiles will bow down to the king in Jerusalem and keep the Feast of Booths or have no rain (Zech 14:16-17). I am not sure what kind of paradise one has without rain.

So you know then that the Lord's day, or day of the Lord as expressed in Revelation 1, is a time of reckoning and glorification. There are, of course, other symbolic indications of the strength of the Lord. Much of it is symbolic in depiction but actual in the fulfillment, meaning the time is coming.

 

[YoursTrue]

You misinterpreted it then. It is about to pass on the message about Jesus to others.

lol, I misinterpreted it lol I love that! Yes, it is the good news about Jesus Christ! You at least got that!

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Because the "lord's day" is not a 24-hour period. Remember what Jesus said, his Father continues working on the Sabbath. Thus the 24-hour Sabbath day observance is in a different category, which perhaps can be discussed later on. Notice what Jesus said when accused of breaking the Sabbath, not to be misunderstood as some do: He healed a man on the Sabbath.
"Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. 17But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.”18Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
So they accused him of breaking the Sabbath (in their eyes) and because he called God his Father distinctly they said he was therefore making himself equal with God. (John 5)

So, what is the Lord's day? Saturday? Sunday? Something else? Please explain.

 

[Subduction Zone]

lol, I misinterpreted it lol I love that! Yes, it is the good news about Jesus Christ! You at least got that!

Okay you still do not understand it so I will quote it for you. Forget about the propaganda. Can you do that? I will also put in bold the parts of the passage that apply to the people that have not followed it:

"but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,"

Please note, that respect has never been observed by a couple of posters here. Also they do not appear to be able to defend their beliefs. A defense includes an explanation and that has been sadly lacking when it comes to @3rdAngel . Lecturing and preaching is not explaining.

It is also why I refuse to explain why we know that parts of the Bible are not literally true. Such as the various Genesis myths. It does not good to lecture or preach to the air. I need an active discussion. But some are afraid to engage in one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There will never be a process that explains absolutely about the origin of life except for the Bible. Still people have a lot to learn, don't you think?
But I forgot -- we're not on that subject, we're talking about -- days and the day and a day.

How would you prove that claim? You have almost no education in the sciences. You have no way to evaluate the progress that has been made. And worse yet there is no explanation in the Bible. "God done did it" is not an explanation. It is only a claim.

We are pretty far afield. Why did you even bring up abiogenesis? As you know the theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. The theory works no matter what was the original source of life. In other words we can know that we are all apes, and that of course includes you and @3rdAngel as well as me without relying on abiogenesis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible itself is telling readers that the people who covenanted with God in the wilderness, the Israelites, whether you believe it or not, who agreed to observe the Law often did not do so throughout the ages. There were consequences. And of course we see the divide amongst the so-called Abrahamic religions. As well as others. This does not mean that God is not watching and observing and making decisions.

Sorry, but here you are shown to be wrong by the countless different sects of Christianity that have varying interpretations of different parts of the Bible. I am not saying that any particular one is right or wrong. But depending upon how one argues or interprets the Bible one can get very different results.

It is one of the reasons that one of the first questions that I asked, and never got an answer for, was whether the OP was playing silly fanfiction games or not. It appears that he was but he has yet to clarify that 100%.

 

[YoursTrue]

Corrections are not attacks. I was trying to explain to you why some Christians believe what they believe and how they defend it. That is a flaw with the religion.

You presume, however, that because some people calling themselves and are called by others Christians disagree with each other that means the Bible is not to be taken as God's word, am I correct in this about you?

 

[YoursTrue]

How would you prove that claim? You have almost no education in the sciences. You have no way to evaluate the progress that has been made. And worse yet there is no explanation in the Bible. "God done did it" is not an explanation. It is only a claim.

We are pretty far afield. Why did you even bring up abiogenesis? As you know the theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. The theory works no matter what was the original source of life. In other words we can know that we are all apes, and that of course includes you and @3rdAngel as well as me without relying on abiogenesis.

Well, anyway, the topic is about day, the Lord's day, etc. So excuse me for mentioning about other subjects.

 

[YoursTrue]

Sorry, but here you are shown to be wrong by the countless different sects of Christianity that have varying interpretations of different parts of the Bible. I am not saying that any particular one is right or wrong. But depending upon how one argues or interprets the Bible one can get very different results.

It is one of the reasons that one of the first questions that I asked, and never got an answer for, was whether the OP was playing silly fanfiction games or not. It appears that he was but he has yet to clarify that 100%.

The OP brought up some very interesting points as far as I am concerned, because I am concerned with the Bible, and understanding it. I don't want to run afield now of the subject, so I usually take one thing at a time, and right now I'm settling on what the Lord's day in Revelation 1 can indicate. And/or what the word 'day' can mean.

 

[YoursTrue]

So, what is the Lord's day? Saturday? Sunday? Something else? Please explain.

Speaking specifically of Revelation 1:10 -- it is a vision John had. Some do believe that it means Sunday. For instance, a German Bible translator puts it: “I was filled with holy spirit--it was on Sunday.” Most Bible versions, however, do translate the Greek phrase as “the Lord’s day.” Yet in a footnote many claim that it refers to Sunday. Is this correct? I'll go over more later about this, if possible. Question for you to ponder over is the following: why do you think some say the reference at Rev. 1:10 is to a Sunday?

 

[YoursTrue]

Okay you still do not understand it so I will quote it for you. Forget about the propaganda. Can you do that? I will also put in bold the parts of the passage that apply to the people that have not followed it:

"but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,"

Please note, that respect has never been observed by a couple of posters here. Also they do not appear to be able to defend their beliefs. A defense includes an explanation and that has been sadly lacking when it comes to @3rdAngel . Lecturing and preaching is not explaining.

It is also why I refuse to explain why we know that parts of the Bible are not literally true. Such as the various Genesis myths. It does not good to lecture or preach to the air. I need an active discussion. But some are afraid to engage in one.

I agree that it can be difficult to always answer respectfully.

 

[YoursTrue]

How would you prove that claim? You have almost no education in the sciences. You have no way to evaluate the progress that has been made. And worse yet there is no explanation in the Bible. "God done did it" is not an explanation. It is only a claim.

We are pretty far afield. Why did you even bring up abiogenesis? As you know the theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. The theory works no matter what was the original source of life. In other words we can know that we are all apes, and that of course includes you and @3rdAngel as well as me without relying on abiogenesis.

As far as me being not well educated in the sciences, I go by sometimes what I read insofar as difference of opinion among scientists. slight smile here. That includes journals by and about science.
I do not agree humans are apes, no matter what scientists say. This is for several reasons. Plus things have been ascertained to be lost, according to scientists, such as -- the Unknown Common Ancestor of humans in the ape lineage. There are other indications that tell me, yes--a non-scientist, that we are not apes or animals. Yes, I learned that in school that humans are classified as animals, and -- at the time I believed it. I no longer do because the Bible says after God made the animals, fish, crawling things, birds, he lastly made man. Scientists may classify mankind as animals, I do not use that categorical description. You may, scientists may, I do not.