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The Magic and the Setian

Ahanit

Active Member
In my 20 years walking around and Study magical pathes There where many who said they do magic, but lived in Conditions they do not like and do not want.

Asking they said that their path is not for feeding the Ego, or some wicca said our path is more religions, or they say that for example money is nothing you can do magic about....

But when we look at the theory of magic, how can there anything impossible for a real magician? May be it needs time or power to give in, but all you want is theoretical possible, when you have the right Technique.

This was my Idea before entering ToS and it is still my opinion.

The interesting in the Setian path is that the "all can come true with the real Technique" is part of the philosophy. No Excuses, when it does not work. No minor of the Magic to favor the alternate philosophy.

When it does not work you havent found the right Formular for your wishes, you need to explore yourself to understand the prob and find the right way of going out.

What do you think about the task to create your life through magic?
Is it also for you a proof for the Art of magic one has?

Have you also examples where the magical walkers find excuses why they are not able to create their life?
 

ViaSinistra

Member
Can you define for us the difference between Setian magic and other lhp magical practices? Im looking for your view concerning indigenous setian magic, opposed to the practice of lhp Will.

Will you also help aid me in understanding why you think, or not, setian willed magic is more/less effective than let's say CoS forms, or luciferian forms of willed magic. Basically im asking you to define and explain why setian systems are more/less effective and in your opinion why?
 

maquino

New Member
The terms "magic" (M), "Black Magic" (BM), and "White Magic" (WM) are used in a variety of ways by a variety of groups.

Here is how the Temple of Set uses them [which is not to say that you need to]. But before we get to those terms, we have to identify two environments:

The Objective Universe (OU): This is the physical totality of matter & energy, including your own physical body, extending in four dimensions.

The Subjective Universe (SU): This is the creation of the individual's consciousness. It may be a perception or interpretation of the OU, or it may be something entirely different. An individual may also generate more than one SU, simultaneously or consecutively. An SU may have an intended purpose [e.g. for the accomplishment or comprehension of something], or it may be merely reverie, dreaming, allowing one's consciousness to "run wild".

As beings with OU bodily extensions, we can choose, as most noninitiates do, to interact with the OU on a purely-mechanical, stimulus/response basis. This is the realm, the ideology of materialism. It also implies, whether or not such people think about it, atheism [of both an external god/gods or a self-god]. There is no M here.

M enters the picture the moment a god/gods/selfgod appears. M is the language by which G/Gs/SG communicate with the OU & SU: sense/understand them, embrace/reject them, control them. Hence M is not a phenomenon exclusively of either the OU or the SU; it is a transition, a medium between them.

Now we get to the two basic divisions of M, "White M" (WM) and "Black M" (BM). These have nothing whatever to do with "good" and "evil", except in a very advanced initiatory sense beyond this post.

If an individual consciousness (ka, psyche, soul) fears, denies, and or rejects its distinction and isolation from the OU, it seeks to rejoin it, to be absorbed into it, to become indistinguishable from it. It attempts this through the generation of a SU which is as identical to, or at least as harmonious with the OU as possible, then obliterating its distinction and difference from that OU. This, in its many varieties, is WM. Its theoretical culmination is known by such names as Grace, Samadhi, Nirvana, etc. However WM is nevertheless an illusion, an act of self-deception or self-anesthetizing. It is never actual absorption into the OU, but only a SU construction of same. The most that the isolate consciousness can do is to stupefy itself until its physical extensions cease [in "death"], whereupon it lacks all coherence, becomes a "mindless mind": existing but having no focus or concept of this existence.

BM is divided into two major types: "Lesser BM" (LBM) and "Greater BM" (GBM).

LBM is the influencing of beings, processes, or objects in the OU by the application of obscure physical or behavioral laws.

LBM is an impelling (encouraging, convincing, increasing of probability) measure, not a compelling (forcing, making inevitable) one. The object is to make something happen without expending the time and energy to make it happen through direct cause-and-effect.

Note that the isolate self here has no interest in self-absorption/annihilation. It sees the OU as something separate and wishes to act upon it. It could of course do this by conspicuously-OU means. But LBM explores and experiments other than the ordinary. It does this both for the pure entertainment of it and for additional effects upon other beings' SUs permeating and overlapping the same arena. Indeed the prime goal of a LBM working may be such other-SU impact, and only incidentally upon the OU.

GBM is the causing of change to occur in one's SU in accordance with the will. This change in the SU may cause a similar and proportionate change in the OU.

Examine this definition. A deliberate effort is made to alter one’s subjective frame of reference, so that a thing which used to be conceptualized one way is now conceptualized in another. A distasteful situation may be adjusted to produce a favorable outcome; a live enemy may be adjusted to be thwarted or nonexistent; a desire of any sort may be realized. This begins with full, willful control over the SU. But as GBM continues, the self's entire juxtaposition to, perception & interpretation of, and attitude towards the OU alters. The OU is absorbed gradually and finally completely into one's consciousness. It is thus the inverse of WM: Instead of the individual being absorbed into the OU, the OU is absorbed into the individual, who thereby becomes its final, true god (indeed God). This god transcends and redefines the four OU dimensions, thereby rendering OU "death" meaningless. Indeed he can reshape, destroy, recreate the OU as desired, or many of them. The SU/OU distinction disappears.

More recently we coined the term "Medial BM" (MBM) to describe works blending LBM & GBM. Examples of this are many, from Adolf Hitler's Germany to Walt Disney's Disneyland. LBM is concentrated, elaborated, and interwoven to such an extent that OU phenomena begin to be affected, ostensibly through physical change but consequently in the SUs of others who enter such environments.

Well, that's the "short version". ;)

Michael A. Aquino
 

Daelach

Setian
What do you think about the task to create your life through magic?

Usually, I don't use magic. The reason is that I prefer to use standard solutions which will fit many situations so that I don't have to reinvent the wheel every time. Only when the need is great and none of the standard solutions has been effective, I will resort to magic.

My view upon shaping one's life is that it will become much easier if one doesn't use countless do-this-in-that-situation-tricks. Make a general scheme, develop a strategy. Oh, that sounds so trivial, every damn life coach book will feature that tip. But it works.

An example: I would have liked to study aerospace engeneering. However, some years before I had to choose, the Soviet Union had collapsed, the Cold War was over. I knew that a large part of all the space technology stuff had just been done for political reasons, namely demonstrating power. The US got shocked by the Sputnik and set up the amazing Apollo program which was geared at showing the Russians that America had better technicians and engineers, with the proof of being the first to send men to the moon.

Now without the Soviets, I assumed that the main reason for huge spacecraft programs had gone. Likewise, I assumed that quite some military aircraft projects would get downshifted. All in all, I expected that domain to be full of experienced experts with dramatically reduced number of workplaces. In other word, very hard to enter as freshman.

That is why I instead opted for electrical engineering where I assumed that enough civil demand would be there to be able to find a job. An assumption which has proven correct.

But the basis was that I sat back, painted a big picture of the world, thought about what I would expect to be the course of development, and thus finding out where I would fit in best, within this big picture.

People whose life is just unwelcome chaos usually are lacking strategy. Without strategy (=long term planning), tactics (=short term actions) will eventually fail, and life will become a clutter of patchwork actions. These are the people who always have problems, where always "something" interferes.

However, it can well happen that those standard approaches just will not work. Every rule has its exception. These are unique situations where one has to use the uniqueness, and this is where magic kicks in.

You know, science treats the rule, the big number - magic treats the exceptions, the small numbers. Imagine some graph of a recording. Science will try to smoothe the noise away in order to find the underlying dynamics. Magic, however, will concentrate exactly on the noise. This is why magic is not reproducable like switching on a lamp (this would be science). This is why magic will never prove effective in scientific experiments - they destroy, by definition, every kind of magic.

And this is also the reason why trying to solve every problem with magic usually will not work. It will cost too much time and effort because there are no standard solutions.. reinventing the wheel every time. But for the rare (and yet important!) cases, magic can be a solution, I can tell this by experience.
 

blackout

Violet.
As I purpose'fully bring the unique mastery
of my subjective reality
to every'thing I do, understand and see,
magic permeates my whole life.
 
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