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The Matrix

Rex

Founder
Do you think this movie has any real world implications. I'm kind of shooting this off of the AI thread that LK made.

What are your thoughts?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
the implication is...i don't have to dodge bullet!
Seriously tho...i think that 1)we shouldn't depend so much on machines, though they are useful and 2)when you make a kick *** movie don't make stupid sequels that bring it down.
 

Circle_One

Well-Known Member
jewscout said:
the implication is...i don't have to dodge bullet!
Seriously tho...i think that 1)we shouldn't depend so much on machines, though they are useful and 2)when you make a kick *** movie don't make stupid sequels that bring it down.
I agree with both of H-Diddy's points.

The world depends far too much on computers. And that frightens me. Actually computers themselves frighten me. So much knowledge crammed into this tiny little box. Computers equal knowledge (for the most part), knowledge equals power and power can corrupt even the strongest will. Imagine what someone like Hitler could have done with an internet connection.

And yes, the sequels were terrible, not even close to what the original was.
 

HelpMe

·´sociopathic meanderer`·
i didn't mind the sequels.i think too much was expected and i think they tried too hard.but they were in the plan from the start, so i don't regret them since i didn't make the first movie i don't think i should have any say.

we could be in the matrix right now supposedly and none of us would have to have any clue.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Circle_One said:
The world depends far too much on computers. And that frightens me. Actually computers themselves frighten me. So much knowledge crammed into this tiny little box. Computers equal knowledge (for the most part), knowledge equals power and power can corrupt even the strongest will. Imagine what someone like Hitler could have done with an internet connection.

On the other hand, think about how much those same computers could have hindered Hitler. There weren't any digital cameras to expose Auschwitz the way we can Abu Grhaib, and it's a lot harder to silence opposition because of the internet.

I, for one, welcome our new digital overloards ;).
 

Circle_One

Well-Known Member
No*s said:
On the other hand, think about how much those same computers could have hindered Hitler. There weren't any digital cameras to expose Auschwitz the way we can Abu Grhaib, and it's a lot harder to silence opposition because of the internet.

I, for one, welcome our new digital overloards ;).
That is an incredibly good point No*s, but still, something about them freaks me out. I mean, if I woke up one morning and decided I wanted to bomb something, I could easily find blueprints to make a bomb on the internet, ya know? The knowledge that this tiny box holds scares me more than I can describe. Anything that holds that much knowledge freaks me out.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Circle_One said:
That is an incredibly good point No*s, but still, something about them freaks me out. I mean, if I woke up one morning and decided I wanted to bomb something, I could easily find blueprints to make a bomb on the internet, ya know? The knowledge that this tiny box holds scares me more than I can describe. Anything that holds that much knowledge freaks me out.

Yeah, I understand. I have family members who are a bit freaked out by the same points. They think I'm a bit too comfortable and loving of the technology. Of course, we'd all be in trouble if everybody had either of our dispositions here :).
 

Circle_One

Well-Known Member
No*s said:
Yeah, I understand. I have family members who are a bit freaked out by the same points. They think I'm a bit too comfortable and loving of the technology. Of course, we'd all be in trouble if everybody had either of our dispositions here :).
See, I think for me a lot of it has to do with technology, but not all of it. I walk into a library and I get so overwhelmed because there's so much I want to know and so much I want to learn and it's all just THERE. It's all just extremely overwhelming for me.
 

Fluffy

A fool
Maybe the great thing about the internet is that this information is available to all. As soon as you start controlling this, so that only a few are privy to this information, you get someone abusing it. Only when all information is free will there be some control available to everyone. Then society will be more homeostatic in nature.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
C1, I'm kind of like Fluffy. However I think I understand where you're coming from. It's the whole "We can do/know so much, but have we stopped to think if we should" routine in special reference to knowledge?
 

Circle_One

Well-Known Member
No*s said:
C1, I'm kind of like Fluffy. However I think I understand where you're coming from. It's the whole "We can do/know so much, but have we stopped to think if we should" routine in special reference to knowledge?
That's exactly it No*s. It's all about that. There's so much we can know in this world and we now pretty much have all of that information at our fingertips, but at the same time, are we, as a society, prepared to have that all that knowledge?
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Circle_One said:
That's exactly it No*s. It's all about that. There's so much we can know in this world and we now pretty much have all of that information at our fingertips, but at the same time, are we, as a society, prepared to have that all that knowledge?

I certainly understand the thought. I've been disturbed by other technological advances myself, and I can get quite apprehensive about it. However, I think we learn kind of like a child. Sometimes the child will have to fall down before we can learn, and sometimes, will have to really, really hurt himself in order to learn something. Maybe we'll have to undergo some of the scarier repercussions of our technology before we learn from them *shudders for our descendents in that respect*.

It's a very nasty thought, but I think it's true...
 

Fluffy

A fool
If everyone felt the same way as you C1 then maybe the human race would be able to deal with this influx of information since they would be more careful. The problem is that most people just dont care. The only way of making them care enough is for them to fall over enough times first until they are sufficiently hurt for them to take notice. Either that or some really fiendish advertising campaign.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The Matrix is a Hindu metaphysical allegory. It is not about computers. It's about maya -- illusion.

The world we percieve and live in is entirely illusory. Although it seems real to us who are living it, 3rd state reality is just as subjective, and ultimately unreal, as 2nd state -- dreaming or REM sleep.

This becomes immediatly apparent if one exits the computer/ wakes to 5th state.
 
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