The Maze Question

[Sanzbir]

The maze is very complex. To anyone who says they can solve it, is more ego and pride than saying,

Give me such a maze. I must crawl this labyrinth you speak of.

There is an analogy to this no one has got yet. I wanted to know something since asking straight out people give cliche answers.

Oh, I got your analogy, but I'd just rather talk about mazes, the strategies for solving them, and the strategies for making mazes that defeat those strategies.

It's a discipline I find fascinating and there's not a lot of times I get to talk about it in the first place, because literally no one I've ever met is interesting in talking about it. Labyrinth architecture.

 

[Sanzbir]

If the maze does not end, would you try to figure it out ignorant of its eternity or would you stay in one room and decorate it as your own?

False dichotomy. There's more choices then your two.

Option 1: Stay in one area: Boring.

Option 2: Finding a way to leave such an interesting labyrinth: Also boring!! And futile.

Option 3: EXPLORE THIS WONDROUS MAZE FOREVER, KNOWING THAT IT'S INFINITE, GLORIOUS COMPLEXITY WILL NEVER END: The best choice!! Again, I really, really like mazes. To an unreasonable and concerning degree.

I think this applies to both real mazes and the analogy you are trying to get at.

 

[WalterTrull]

EXPLORE THIS WONDROUS MAZE FOREVER, KNOWING THAT IT'S INFINITE, GLORIOUS COMPLEXITY WILL NEVER END:

Very Interesting. (In best Henry Gibson accent)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Give me such a maze. I must crawl this labyrinth you speak of.



Oh, I got your analogy, but I'd just rather talk about mazes, the strategies for solving them, and the strategies for making mazes that defeat those strategies.

It's a discipline I find fascinating and there's not a lot of times I get to talk about it in the first place, because literally no one I've ever met is interesting in talking about it. Labyrinth architecture.

It's not a complex analogy about the purpose of life and the cosmos. Just asking a simple question but don't like cliche answers. Seems most people so far answered what I thought without the cliches.

Any answers outside getting out the maze or staying is irrelevant.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

False dichotomy. There's more choices then your two.

Option 1: Stay in one area: Boring.

Option 2: Finding a way to leave such an interesting labyrinth: Also boring!! And futile.

Option 3: EXPLORE THIS WONDROUS MAZE FOREVER, KNOWING THAT IT'S INFINITE, GLORIOUS COMPLEXITY WILL NEVER END: The best choice!! Again, I really, really like mazes. To an unreasonable and concerning degree.

I think this applies to both real mazes and the analogy you are trying to get at.

Nope. No cosmic answer. It's as is. Stay or go. What is your reasoning and why. It is a dichotomy.

On purpose.

 

[Sanzbir]

Nope. No cosmic answer. It's as is. Stay or go. What is your reasoning and why. It is a dichotomy.

On purpose.

Your only answers are try (futilely) to get out, or to stay put in one room.

I find both answers boring. Dull. Lifeless.

If there's an infinite maze out there for me to explore, I'd like to explore it.

Staying in one place would be boring, and I wouldn't want to exit if I found a way out.

I want neither to escape nor to stay put in a single room like you would, I want to experience the maze for what it is, not with a false intent of "escape", and definitely not curling up in a single room and leaving the rest of the infinite maze potential unexplored!!

You're not at all curious to explore this maze?? Do you not see how some people would want to explore the maze, but not escape?? That's the third option you haven't accounted for. Because in the scenario you have proposed, there is nothing stopping me from taking that option. The options presented of not exploring or trying to escape, neither of those boring options would be something I would do in the scenario you describe.

There's an infinite world to explore in your scenario!! On what grounds do you forbid this third option?? On what reason??

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your only answers are try (futilely) to get out, or to stay put in one room.

I find both answers boring. Dull. Lifeless.

If there's an infinite maze out there for me to explore, I'd like to explore it.

Staying in one place would be boring, and I wouldn't want to exit if I found a way out.

I want neither to escape nor to stay put in a single room like you would, I want to experience the maze for what it is, not with a false intent of "escape", and definitely not curling up in a single room and leaving the rest of the infinite maze potential unexplored!!

You're not at all curious to explore this maze?? Do you not see how some people would want to explore the maze, but not escape?? That's the third option you haven't accounted for. Because in the scenario you have proposed, there is nothing stopping me from taking that option. The options presented of not exploring or trying to escape, neither of those boring options would be something I would do in the scenario you describe.

There's an infinite world to explore in your scenario!! On what grounds do you forbid this third option?? On what reason??

You're overacting for no reason. The maze has nothing to do with whether you want to be bored throughout life or explore life for what it is. I never mentioned the analogy point, so there are many ways to take from it but you don't need to take it personal.

If going by the point and extending my analogy, while you are exploring, to where would you explore? How big do you feel your exploration would be before you fall into the same illusion of "being bored"?

No need for !!! I only asked questions without my opinions. Assumptions are the root of all evils*.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Very Interesting. (In best Henry Gibson accent)

Fascinating

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Five out of twenty eight answered. No one seemed to want to stay (assuming?) dispute the maze doesn't end. Is it because it would be useless? Is moving around better? There is an illusion to both choices I found out just now in addition to my original point. Interesting.

 

[BSM1]

If you have that much "ermm" in you, go for it. But any maze that is big enough to be challenging in the first place isn't going to be solvable within the volume of your average colon.



That doesn't work. This below is a simple looping structure:

Obviously this "maze" is by no means difficult to solve, but it is just to illustrate the basic concept of a looping structure within a maze. Because while you can solve it easily just by randomly wandering, you cannot solve it by RHR or LHR.

Follow the right hand wall, and you end up back at the start without ever reaching the end. Follow the left hand wall, and you end up back at the start without without ever reaching the end.

Do as you suggest, and use the left hand once you are lead back the first time, and you will only be retreading the same path as with the RHR, just backwards.

Actually it's for this reason that changing hands is never advantageous. The route is the ~same~ with both the RHR and the LHR, all that changes is that one route is the inverse of the other. And again, three dimensions beats RHR and LHR even without looping structures. You could change hands at a point that is not the starting point, but doing that destroys the functionality of the RHR and LHR rules to begin with, and is equivalent to just randomly wandering the maze and picking paths arbitrarily.

If I was designing a maze, I would use this kind of structure (or multiple, concentric looping structures, as a baseline and then expand the maze from there. Thereby making RHR and LHR impossible to make use of.

Again, RHR and LHR only work for what is called a "perfect maze", which is a maze with no such looping structures. But since solving a "perfect" maze is so easy, where's the fun in that??

And yes, I probably put way more thought into mazes than any sane person should...

No, you won't. Try with a pencil. Assuming you use you right hand as you enter you'll end up where you started. If you use your left hand on the opposite wall you'll reach the end (might have left out the opposite wall thingy).This will work on any maze; granted it may take you a longer on some.

 

[BSM1]

EDIT

I should have rephrased this better.

If the maze does not end, would you try to figure it out ignorant of its eternity or would you stay in one room and decorate it as your own?

If the maze doesn't end it's not a maze, it's a journey.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If the maze doesn't end it's not a maze, it's a journey.

I didn't say how big the maze was though. optical illusions

 

[ChristineM]

If you were stuck in a maze, which would you rather do for the rest of your life: Stay and decorate the room, making it your own? Or. Would you solve the maze to be with your loved ones (or so have you) at the end?

Why or why not?

Labyrinth is a good movie.

Personally id try and solve the maze before dinner time.

 

[BSM1]

I didn't say how big the maze was though. optical illusions

If the maze doesn't end then it has to be eternal.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If the maze doesn't end then it has to be eternal.

Could be. Eternal mazes could be an optical illusion. But it does make sense why people would chose the eternal journey over being in one room alone. Some even describe the later as a prision. It also gives light to those who dont believe on this thread who pick somewhat the same answer as believers. (Whichever believe one may be) Then another RFer mentioned that we have eternity already in our genes.

Though, thats not quite the angle I was going for, with my cheese an beakers, I cant be too picky, right?

 

[WalterTrull]

Some even describe the later as a prision.

Suppose the plan includes making us want to leave?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Suppose the plan includes making us want to leave?

What do you mean, is something (One?) telling you, you should leave? If so, if you are listening, you are still in the same maze with or without a guide.

 

[BSM1]

Could be. Eternal mazes could be an optical illusion. But it does make sense why people would chose the eternal journey over being in one room alone. Some even describe the later as a prision. It also gives light to those who dont believe on this thread who pick somewhat the same answer as believers. (Whichever believe one may be) Then another RFer mentioned that we have eternity already in our genes.

Though, thats not quite the angle I was going for, with my cheese an beakers, I cant be too picky, right?

Even standing still you're still moving on you're journey.