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The Meaning to Life

The Sum of Awe

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Out meaning of life has always been "eat. survive. reproduce." It's been out tactic for a few billion years, it's still the tactic for all other species. We seem to have forgotten, over the years, that there is no meaning to it, we just do.

Did we JUST gain meaning after a few billion years of evolving? Did we just gain a soul about 200,000 to 500,000 years ago? It seems albeit pointless to have existence before us then.
 

CarlinKnew

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Well I like the way you phrase the question. Meaning did indeed arise after millions of years of evolution, but not in the way you implied. The brains of animals evolved the ability to perceive meaning. For example, when a chimp sees that his food's disappeared and his friend is picking his teeth, it's not hard for him to figure out what that means: his buddy stole his chow!

That's what meaning is: it's an interpretation of the significance of an event. To the victimized chimp, the disappearance of his food signifies that his companion ate it.

Humans' brains evolved the ability to perceive meaning in broader contexts, and with that ability came an increased chance of error. For example, a man might come home late from work acting irritable, and his wife might mistakenly think that this means he's cheating on her.

This ability to identify meaning incorrectly, to search for and find a meaning that does not reflect reality (like the woman thinking her husband's irritability means he's cheating) is responsible for the question, "What is the meaning of life?"
 

bobhikes

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Eating, surviving, and reproducing are necessities of life not meanings.

Life has no meaning other than the one you give it.

Live life to be happy.
 

The Sum of Awe

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Eating, surviving, and reproducing are necessities of life not meanings.

Life has no meaning other than the one you give it.

Live life to be happy.

Why be happy? Why not live in the way that life is? Without false emotion conveying it.
 

Student of X

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Did we JUST gain meaning after a few billion years of evolving? Did we just gain a soul about 200,000 to 500,000 years ago? It seems albeit pointless to have existence before us then.

But what is time, really?

Animals and many people live their lives on the lower circuits, to put it in Timothy Leary terms. They mostly live in the lower four circuits of thought.


1. The Biosurvival Circuit (the Breath of Consciousness)

This circuit is imprinted in infancy, concerned with suckling, nourishment, cuddling, bio-security, etc. The imprinting of this circuit sets up the basic attitude of trust or suspicion which will last for life. First activated when a human being is born, and programs perception onto an either-or grid, divided into nurturing-helpful and noxious-dangerous (approach/accept vs. flight/flee). This circuit is activated in adults by opioids such as heroin. This circuit is said to have appeared in the earliest evolution of the invertebrate brain. This circuit begins with 1 spatial dimension, forward/back.

2. The Emotional–Territorial Circuit (Freud's Ego)

The Emotional Circuit is imprinted in the toddling stage, concerned with emotions, domination and submission strategies, territory, etc. The first imprint on this circuit identifies the stimuli which will automatically trigger dominant, aggressive behavior or submissive, co-operative behavior. This circuit is activated by large quantities of alcohol (inebriation). This circuit appeared first in territorial vertebrate animals. This circuit introduces a 2nd dimension; up/down.

3. The Symbolic or Neurosemantic–Dexterity Circuit (the Rational Mind)

This circuit is imprinted by human artifacts and symbol systems. It is concerned with handling the environment, invention, calculation, prediction, building a "map" of the universe, etc. It is associated with physical dexterity. This circuit is activated by stimulant drugs such as methamphetamine and cocaine. This circuit supposedly appeared first when hominids started differentiating from the rest of the primates.

4. The Domestic or Sociosexual Circuit (the "Adult" Personality)

This fourth circuit is imprinted by the first orgasm-mating experiences and tribal "morals". It is concerned with sexual pleasure (instead of sexual reproduction), local definitions of "moral" and "immoral", reproduction, nurture of the young, etc. It is basically concerned with operating within social networks and the transmission of culture across time. This circuit is said to have first appeared with the development of tribes. Leary never associated a drug with it, but some have pointed out that entactogens such as MDMA seem to meet some of the requirements needed to activate this circuit.


....The meaning of life is to reach the higher circuits....


5. The Neurosomatic Circuit (Zen–Yoga Mind–body Connection)

This is concerned with neurological-somatic feedbacks, feeling high, somatic reprogramming, etc. The fifth circuit, according to Leary, is consciousness of the body. There is a marked shift from linear visual space to an all-encompassing aesthetic sensory space. A hedonistic turn-on occurs, a rapturous amusement, a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits. This circuit is activated by ecstatic experiences via physiological effects of cannabis, Hatha Yoga, tantra, Zen meditation, and free fall. Leary describes that this circuit first appeared in the upper classes, with the development of leisure-class civilizations around 2000 BC.

6. The Neuroelectric or Metaprogramming Circuit (Psionic Electronic-Interface Earth Grid Mind)

This circuit is concerned with re-imprinting and re-programming all earlier circuits and the relativity of “realities” perceived. The sixth circuit consists of the nervous system becoming aware of itself. Leary says this circuit enables telepathic communication and is activated by low-to-moderate doses of LSD (50-150 µg), moderate doses of Peyote, and psilocybin mushrooms. This circuit is traced by Leary back to 500 BC, and he associates it with the Silk Road.

7. The Neurogenetic or Morphogenetic Circuit (Buddha–Monad "Mind")

This part is concerned with evolutionary consciousness (past and future), DNA-RNA-brain feedbacks (ancestral, societal and scientific). The first to achieve this mutation spoke of "memories of past lives", "reincarnation", "immortality" etc. This circuit is activated by regular doses of LSD (200-500 µg), higher doses of Peyote, higher doses of psilocybin mushrooms, Raja Yoga, and years of dedicated meditative practice in general. The circuit first appeared among the Hindus in the early first millennium and later reappeared among the Sufi sects.

8. The Psychoatomic or Quantum Non-local Circuit (Overmind)

The eighth circuit is concerned with quantum consciousness, non-local awareness (information from beyond ordinary space-time awareness which is limited by the speed of light), illumination, out-of-body experiences, astral projection, contact with alien entities (which does not necessarily specifically refer to only materially based creatures from outer space, but rather all beings, including e.g. angels) or with a galactic overmind, etc. Some of the ways this circuit can get activated are: the awakening of kundalini, shock, a near-death experience, etc. This circuit has even been compared to the Buddhist concept of Indra's net from the Avatamsaka Sutra. This circuit is activated by DMT, high doses of ketamine (75-125 mg IM, see "K-hole"), and high doses of LSD (1,000+ µg).
 
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The Sum of Awe

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I agree that it doesn't make sense to say the meaning of life is to be happy, but it does make sense to live happily. Why not do what you enjoy?

I'm not saying we can't do what we enjoy, but I'm wondering why we think life is so awe and has meaning.
 

CarlinKnew

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I'm not saying we can't do what we enjoy, but I'm wondering why we think life is so awe and has meaning.

Right well I agree with you on this issue then, as long as it's understood that the lack of a meaning of life doesn't have to be a negative thing. It could even be freeing and empowering depending on your perspective.
 

The Sum of Awe

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Right well I agree with you on this issue then, as long as it's understood that the lack of a meaning of life doesn't have to be a negative thing. It could even be freeing and empowering depending on your perspective.

Yes I do understand that, but it also does not make it a positive thing, it's the lack of.

If you believe some things are happier, or be optimistic or hope for something, that is a meaning to life, making more than what it is. It defies realism when there is more than what life actually is.
 

CarlinKnew

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Yes I do understand that, but it also does not make it a positive thing, it's the lack of.

If you believe some things are happier, or be optimistic or hope for something, that is a meaning to life, making more than what it is. It defies realism when there is more than what life actually is.

Sorry I'm not sure that I follow. It might be the grammar of your post; I don't understand what you mean. Maybe you could rephrase it.
 

The Sum of Awe

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Sorry I'm not sure that I follow. It might be the grammar of your post; I don't understand what you mean. Maybe you could rephrase it.

Yes I do understand that it doesn't mean negative, but it also does not make it a positive thing, it's the lack of.

If you believe some things are better than another (happiness & sadness), or hope for something to happen which will make you happy, that is a meaning to life, making life more than what it is. It defies realism when there is more than what life actually is.
 

CarlinKnew

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Yes I do understand that it doesn't mean negative, but it also does not make it a positive thing, it's the lack of.

If you believe some things are better than another (happiness & sadness), or hope for something to happen which will make you happy, that is a meaning to life, making life more than what it is. It defies realism when there is more than what life actually is.

Let me see if I understand. Do you mean that preferring happiness over sadness, or hoping for things that make you happy, are attempts at finding a meaning of life or making life more than what it really is?

If that's what you mean, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I can seek happiness and live happily while knowing that doing so isn't the meaning of life. I do so because it's what I personally want to do. Happiness is a very real aspect of my life, and I can choose to magnify it.
 

The Sum of Awe

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Let me see if I understand. Do you mean that preferring happiness over sadness, or hoping for things that make you happy, are attempts at finding a meaning of life or making life more than what it really is?

If that's what you mean, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I can seek happiness and live happily while knowing that doing so isn't the meaning of life. I do so because it's what I personally want to do. Happiness is a very real aspect of my life, and I can choose to magnify it.

No, I'm saying judging things as things that make you happy and things that make you sad is making life more than what it is, and goes against realism.
 

The Sum of Awe

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You don't have to. You will always give yourself some meaning. Unless you die, your always doing something with your life.

Even your cartoon in the OP showed the creatures having goals.

Why not just be alive, and let whatever happens to you happen? Hope for nothing, have no goal.
 
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