The middle class won today

[tytlyf]

How has the middle class won? ACA has caused my health care cost to go up both in what I spend monthly and my deductible. Its the uninsured and high risk medical people that won. Not that the republican plan would do me any better. Neither party is doing anything for the middle class.

Only 1 party puts forth middle class policies. What party is for minimum wage? Which party supports Labor Unions like police and fire? Which party supports higher taxes on the wealthy and not the middle class?

It's a false equivalence. No one in the middle class has any business voting republican. I don't give a rats turd what RW media says.

 

[bobhikes]

Only 1 party puts forth middle class policies. What party is for minimum wage? Which party supports Labor Unions like police and fire? Which party supports higher taxes on the wealthy and not the middle class?

It's a false equivalence. No one in the middle class has any business voting republican. I don't give a rats turd what RW media says.

I don't follow the RW media and I will vote for whomever I want. As to your OP is it about the republican health care failure or a democratic party promotion.

 

[tytlyf]

As to your OP is it about the republican health care failure or a democratic party promotion.

Both. The failure of the corporate republican 'replacement' bill was a great benefit to the middle class democratic party. Isn't that obvious?

 

[bobhikes]

Both. The failure of the corporate republican 'replacement' bill was a great benefit to the middle class democratic party. Isn't that obvious?

Not at all obvious. I wouldn't say it was any benefit to the democratic party. They need to produce some quality leaders that inspire the middle class. I can't think of one democrat that inspired me in this process. It comes across as a failure of the Republicans not a win for the democrats. If the democrats actually filibuster the supreme court nominee that will be a loss for them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If the democrats actually filibuster the supreme court nominee that will be a loss for them.

Maybe. But an original intent person should not be put up as Supreme Court Judge as many things of "original intent" are not even legal today. The world and culture of the original intent is long dead and gone.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Only 1 party puts forth middle class policies. What party is for minimum wage? Which party supports Labor Unions like police and fire? Which party supports higher taxes on the wealthy and not the middle class?

It's a false equivalence. No one in the middle class has any business voting republican. I don't give a rats turd what RW media says.

I think you may be mixing up some traits of the middle class and the working class. The expansion of medicare and the minimum wage is mostly for the working class.

 

[littlefire]

@tytlyf Just thought I'd say, in the context of this thread, I deeply appreciate your profile avatar.

 

[tytlyf]

I think you may be mixing up some traits of the middle class and the working class. The expansion of medicare and the minimum wage is mostly for the working class.

Middle class or working class, there are no benefits to voting republican. It still boggles my mind how any veteran would vote republican. Unless they were never told the republican track record on veterans. In that case they'd be in the dark.

 

[esmith]

Middle class or working class, there are no benefits to voting republican. It still boggles my mind how any veteran would vote republican. Unless they were never told the republican track record on veterans. In that case they'd be in the dark.

Because we are Veterans.

 

[esmith]

All you ACA fans, let me know how you feel when the majority of insurance companies pull out of the plan, when your premiums and deductibles increase to the point that you can no longer afford medical procedures. Until all sides of the political spectrum sit down and come up with a compromise the ACA is going to implode and you will be left with nothing.

 

[metis]

A single-payer system using non-profit insurance companies operating under strict rules is not only sensible, it works in practice as we're seeing with the Germans, who have been doing universal health care longer than any other nation, and the Danes, who decided to mimic the German system about two years ago.

Why do Americans constantly feel that they have to reinvent the wheel whereas there are many countries with universal health care, better outcomes (according to the W.H.O.), and they're doing it with less cost. Dah!

 

[Quetzal]

How has the middle class won? ACA has caused my health care cost to go up both in what I spend monthly and my deductible. Its the uninsured and high risk medical people that won. Not that the republican plan would do me any better. Neither party is doing anything for the middle class.

Oh yeah, we need to remember this isn't a huge victory. There are still come big issues. I would much rather see changes to the ACA instead of a reset. Not likely though.

 

[Quetzal]

All you ACA fans, let me know how you feel when the majority of insurance companies pull out of the plan, when your premiums and deductibles increase to the point that you can no longer afford medical procedures. Until all sides of the political spectrum sit down and come up with a compromise the ACA is going to implode and you will be left with nothing.

Is this due to the removal of the mandate? I am having a tough time keeping up in the flurry of media stories. I would like to hear your take on this that I was thinking of earlier today: Would you be okay with changes/amendments to the ACA? Or do you favor the scrap and restart? (No right/wrong answer since both have merit.)

 

[fantome profane]

Until all sides of the political spectrum sit down and come up with a compromise the ACA is going to implode and you will be left with nothing.

You actually believe the lies Trump is telling.

 

[columbus]

All you ACA fans,

Would you like to talk to someone who thinks Obama is the best president since LBJ and despises ACA nearly as much as the invasion of Iraq?

I consider the ACA a disaster. Mainly because it kept the worst aspects of BushCare, while adding a host of taxpayer obligations and government control of people's lives.

I was stunned when the Supreme Court deemed it Constitutional! It isn't! But apparently, Chief Justice Roberts thinks that a penalty imposed by the IRS isn't a penalty. It's a tax. Because it's the IRS.
What is up with that?!

There is no way anybody can convince me that the individual mandate is Constitutional.

So, do you want to discuss this, or just dismiss me?
Tom

 

[esmith]

Is this due to the removal of the mandate? I am having a tough time keeping up in the flurry of media stories. I would like to hear your take on this that I was thinking of earlier today: Would you be okay with changes/amendments to the ACA? Or do you favor the scrap and restart? (No right/wrong answer since both have merit.)

I have read that there are 11,000 pages Source to 20,000 pages of regulations to the ACA Source. I don't see any way to modify the ACA with this many regulations. I think the best thing to do is just start over, but take the time to think it out and get both sides of the isle involved.

 

[Quetzal]

I have read that there are 11,000 pages Source to 20,000 pages of regulations to the ACA Source. I don't see any way to modify the ACA with this many regulations. I think the best thing to do is just start over, but take the time to think it out and get both sides of the isle involved.

Yikes, I kind of figured it would be sizable. In the current situation, the Dems are saying the Repubbies didn't ask for their input. Given the volatile political climate, I can believe that. Hopefully they can come back to the table and give it another shot. Take the good from the ACA and trim a bit of fat. Hopefully bring some of those premiums down.

 

[columbus]

I don't see any way to modify the ACA with this many regulations.

If there are that many regulations, why would it be difficult to change 3 of them?

I would be happy to eliminate and replace ACA. But not with an evil combination of BushCare and RomneyCare. I think that UHC is a better plan.
But obviously the Republicans don't have an improvement on ACA or they would have passed it last Thursday.
Tom

 

[esmith]

Yikes, I kind of figured it would be sizable. In the current situation, the Dems are saying the Repubbies didn't ask for their input. Given the volatile political climate, I can believe that. Hopefully they can come back to the table and give it another shot. Take the good from the ACA and trim a bit of fat. Hopefully bring some of those premiums down.

How about a huge amount of fat.
I was thinking (yeah I know it hurts my head) but when I was working for Sun Microsystems the company had a very basic health plan that they paid for (can't remember the details it was over 20 years ago). The employees could purchase additional coverage (again can't remember the details) to what ever they thought they needed. I can't see why this type of plan couldn't work. Except that the federal government would not pay for the basic plan unless except in "hardship" cases and the individual could pay additional for any expanded coverage.

 

[esmith]

If there are that many regulations, why would it be difficult to change 3 of them?

I would be happy to eliminate and replace ACA. But not with an evil combination of BushCare and RomneyCare. I think that UHC is a better plan.
But obviously the Republicans don't have an improvement on ACA or they would have passed it last Thursday.
Tom

They had a plan that was not supported by all Republican and zero Democrats. All sides are going to have to set down and forget their petty bickering. I am totally against any universal health care system ran by the federal government. Yeah I know I'm on a totally federal ran health care system, but I had skin in the game for many years before I started using it. What you are asking for is no skin in the game to start with and would be a burden on the taxpayers. I don't like the idea of me paying for my healthcare along with someone else, with the someone else having just as much "stuff" as I do. In other words if they want my help they are going to have to sacrifice some of their non-essentials, if not all. Either their health is more important to them than their "goodies" or I say take a hike.