tytlyf
Not Religious
The reason why the bill was pulled was because republicans in congress were fearing to lose their job in the midterms. And if they voted on TrumpCare, their vote (yes/no) would be used against them in political ads
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The middle class won today
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esmith
Veteran Member
You are still squirming as usual. I asked you a very simple statement
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Where do you come up with the idea that is highlighted above in block letter?
ACA is failing, largely because it never was fully funded and 19 states refused the Medicaid expansion and because Congress refused to work out the kinks in favor of the politically expedient soundbite of repealing it wholesale and because the whole medical industry has been left in a state of limbo, not able to fully commit or trust that this will remain the law of the land.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Approval ratings, amount insured, etc. People from all sides of the aisle are benefiting from it. Which is why no republican in congress wants to go 'on the record' with their vote.
A 'yes' vote will be ill-advised by republican voters who use and like the ACA.
A 'no' vote will show you want to keep the ACA
This is why they canceled the vote. Republicans know if they're on record supporting the bill one way or another that they may be kicked out of office based on that vote.
Like I said in the OP, the middle class won. You're not in the middle class, so this doesn't pertain to you.
esmith
Veteran Member
So you think the approval rating of the ACA is favorable?
How about looking at the following site and select the various choices and get back to us.
Kaiser Health Tracking Poll: The Public’s Views on the ACA
Why are you making the assumption that I am not in the middle class? What makes you think this doesn't pertain to me. Come on @tytlyf explain yourself, or are you afraid to?
tytlyf
Not Religious
Yes it's favorable. Your chart shows that.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law
Because you vote republican. People in the middle class don't vote republican, there's no benefit to voting republican.
esmith
Veteran Member
Oh? Lets examine my link. The question asked was "
As you may know, a health reform bill was signed into law in 2010. Given what you know about the health reform law, do you have a generally favorable or generally unfavorable opinion of it?”
The order of the percentage is favorable - unfavorable as of June 2016
All Adults 49% 44%
Democrats 71% 16%
Republican 12% 78%
Independents 38% 48%
Income
<$40,000 47% 36%
$40,000 - $89,000 38% 52%
>$90,000 42% 51%
Age
18-29 45% 34%
30-49 42% 49%
50- 64 43% 45%
>65 39% 47%
Men 41% 47%
Women 44% 42%
Race/Ethnicity
White 37% 53%
Black 65% 16%
Hispanic 54% 29%
So according to the above data and if you consider the middle class as those earning between $40,000 and $90,000 it appears that your hypothesis about the middle class is as full of holes as Bonnie and Clyde's last automobile. In addition what can you clean from the above data? Of course if you use the same logic you used to determine that I'm not middle class who knows what conclusion you will arrive at. (probably the Kaiser Foundation is a RW propaganda source)
The above is your reasoning for saying that I'm not middle class. However, according to the Fed I am middle class and I vote anti-liberal/progressive/ which is indicative of a Democrat. See .Source
Your logical(?) steps to reach your conclusion leaves me rolling-in-the-aisle with laughter.
tytlyf
Not Religious
You posted the chart/link. The chart shows that more people favor the ACA than don't. The RCP link I posted says the same thing. Not sure what chart you're looking at.
esmith
Veteran Member
Well looking at the chart I furnished it appears that they contacted more:
women, blacks, Hispanics, those whose ages were between 18-29, those making less than $40,000, and Democrats than they did men, whites, those whose ages were between 30-65+, those making $40,000-$90,000+, and Independents, and Republicans. Since the latter group did not favor the ACA. Do you not agree?
When did you develop this attachment to polls and popular opinion? You didn't seem to have it when Obama was so popular, polls showed Clinton way ahead, or the fact that the USA electorate voted for her by millions (despite the system being rigged against them).
What's with this?
Tom
esmith
Veteran Member
Well, opinions do not seem to count very much here so producing facts might. Except there are those that will argue that the facts are not correct.
Opinions supported by reasoning do count.
Nothing personal, but I don't see people like you doing that so much. In this case, as an example, people refer to the ACA as ObamaCare(often with a bit of a sneer).
The facts are
A) The main features were originally proposed by the Heritage Foundation as an alternative to Hillary's proposed health care reform.
B) The main features were first enacted by Mitt Romney, the Republican governor in Massachusetts. It was hailed as a success by Republicans at the time.
(I think a major factor in the 2012 election was the Republican candidate having done that, when "Repeal ObamaCare" was about all the Republican party had to run on.)
C) ACA was passed by both houses on Capitol Hill, signed by the President, passed muster in the SCOTUS, then the President was reelected. There is no more legitimate legislation ever passed, the way the USA does things.
D) Obama's main accomplishment concerning ACA was convincing the Democrats and Wall Street to support the Republican plan for health care reform.
That last one may not be obvious to people who don't really remember the history of these things. Just like Republican candidates now like to put the blame for NAFTA on Clinton because he signed it. They don't seem to remember 1992, when it was a Republican plan to boost the economy and threats that Clinton might Not sign it was a campaign issue. Clinton was described as "in the pocket of Big Labor", who were opposed to it because it would do so much damage to blue collar middle class people.
I could go on about the duplicity of self described "conservative Republicans". But it is the main reason I am now a straight ticket democrat voter, despite finding them icky. I despise both parties so much I can't even vote in a primary as my state requires party registration and I won't grace them with even that much of my identity.
Tom