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The Movie "Francis, A man of His word" what did you think?

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
No mention of Mary Maybe a plus.

The sermon on the mount says 'blessed are those who hunger for righteousness' but the spiritual hunger and spiritual poverty seems reemphasized toward a left leaning understanding of the gospel
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
No mention of Mary Maybe a plus.

The sermon on the mount says 'blessed are those who hunger for righteousness' but the spiritual hunger and spiritual poverty seems reemphasized toward a left leaning understanding of the gospel
First of all, the gospel does mention the poor and their plight many times, including in the Sermon On the Mount and the Parable of the Sheep & Goats, just for starters, so I guess Jesus must be "left leaning".

Also, what's your problem with Mary? By chance, did you go through your Bible and use White-Out where ever you saw her name? So, are you only accepting select verses in the Bible that are not "left-leaning" and omit any mention of Mary?

Anyhow, my guess is that this will quickly turn into another 'Let's bash Catholicism!", and you're off to a "good" start with your OP.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Premium Member
No mention of Mary Maybe a plus.

The sermon on the mount says 'blessed are those who hunger for righteousness' but the spiritual hunger and spiritual poverty seems reemphasized toward a left leaning understanding of the gospel

Well, I take it you must have a rather hard time reading the Magnificat verses of the Gospel of Luke, where the Blessed Virgin Mary delivers the liturgy's most famous and beloved antiphon of praise to God, and with a revolutionary social message to boot (verses 51-53):


Luke 1:46-55

Mary’s Song of Praise

46 And Mary said,

My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour,
48 for he has looked with favour on the lowliness of his servant.
Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
50 His mercy is for those who fear him
from generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts.
52 He has brought down the powerful from their thrones,
and lifted up the lowly;
53 he has filled the hungry with good things,
and sent the rich away empty.

54 He has helped his servant Israel,
in remembrance of his mercy,
55 according to the promise he made to our ancestors,
to Abraham and to his descendants for ever.’


This is the longest speech delivered by a woman in the entirety of the New Testament and it has proved to be massively influential in the history of Christian thought. Mary begins by glorifying the greatness of God (Luke 1:46), acknowledges her devotion to the Lord (Luke 1:48), and then promises deliverance to the poor and oppressed through the reversal of unjust social structures (Luke 1:50-53).

How that's for you? ;)

See:

https://pax-bonum.com/2016/02/12/the-magnificat-a-jewish-text-and-its-christian-implications/


Magnificat anima mea Dominum is one of the most oft recited texts in Christendom. Traditionally ascribed to Mary of Nazareth, this powerful song captures the exuberant joy of a mother who was the first to receive the Good News and the spirit of a people hopeful for deliverance...

Schaberg and Ringe posited that the Magnificat’s strong identification with the poor, and its radical call for justice and the transformation of the prevailing social order, indicate that the hymn may have been written by Jewish or Jewish-Christian anawim (2012, p. 504). However, though the Magnificat uses the voice and the concern of the anawim, it is ultimately a song that “proclaims liberation with tough authority” (Schaberg & Ringe, 2012, p. 504). The strength of the Magnificat’s message lies in Mary’s total trust and reliance on God.

If the Magnificat is Jewish in its affirmation of a God who listens to the cries of the poor and delivers them through justice, it is also thoroughly Christian because of its faith in a God of paradox and reversal (Connelly, 2014, p.8). From a Christian lens, the Magnificat makes manifest God’s action through the lowly, the hungry, the poor, and through Mary herself. Mary is among “the humiliated ones who have been lifted up, the hungry ones who have been filled with good things” (Ruether, 1993, p. 155). This paradox is a specifically Christian message, which will be reiterated in the Beatitudes and will be developed more fully and explicitly, as it pertains to the personhood of Jesus Christ, in the idea of kenosis, found in the Pauline Epistles...

The Magnificat is at once familiar and challenging, beautiful but daunting. It is one of the most popular prayers, recited daily as part of the Divine Office and with a privileged place in the Liturgy during the Advent season. Because of this ubiquity, the Magnificat has taken on a pious, gentle gloss that belies the fiery radicalism of its message (Yoder, 1994, p. 21). It is a radicalism that has led to the song being banned by various totalitarian regimes and unjust organizations throughout history (Connelly, 2014, p. 8). The reversal of power called for by Luke, placed in the mouth of the mother of Jesus, is tantamount to a battle cry for deliverance from unjust social, political, and economic structures. It is a call for a conversion of hearts that results in an actual shift in our social structures and relationships. In effect, the text calls for revolution!...

The Magnificat calls us to work for justice through the elimination of structures and systems that oppress the poor, the vulnerable, and those whom we keep out of the sheepfold. This part of the equation can sometimes cause anger and division, especially when polemics replace one injustice with another. However, the “casting down of rulers from their thrones” and the “sending of the rich away empty” (Luke 1: 52-53) are not meant to incur violent retribution for those who currently have authority, money, and might. Rather, this part of the text points to a leveling-off of station, wherein the rich and powerful, who have much, are lowered while their brothers and sisters, who have little, are increased. The rich will not be given more because they already have the resources, rights, and protections they need to survive.

The poor and the oppressed, who are destitute, wanting, and exposed, will receive the necessary sustenance and recourse to justice to reclaim their dignity and humanity. Thus, the Magnificat is about a restoration of right relationships among the children of God through the establishment of a just and equitable society, wherein all may come to the table of the Lord on the same footing. Finally, the “dispersion of the arrogant of mind and heart” (Luke 1:51) calls for a realization of God’s power and loving presence for all, especially the lowly. This awareness of a genuine encounter with the Most High will surface in our consciousness to engender a humble, enduring conversion through love.

The Magnificat poses a daunting challenge for today. By analyzing the origins of this text and by placing it within the framework of Luke’s Gospel, we can appreciate the richness of its message, as it was heard by the early Jewish-Christians of the first century and as it applies to us today. This powerful text transcends the superficial barriers of tradition, economic status, and politics to deliver an urgent call for justice and right relationship, placing all of us, rich and poor, oppressor and oppressed, on the same level. Mary’s song breaks down oppressive structures that promote injustice and alienation and calls us to affection and solicitude for the other, thereby restoring our dignity and humanity, as God has always faithfully done.
 
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whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
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The Magnificat poses a daunting challenge for today. By analyzing the origins of this text and by placing it within the framework of Luke’s Gospel, we can appreciate the richness of its message, as it was heard by the early Jewish-Christians of the first century and as it applies to us today. This powerful text transcends the superficial barriers of tradition, economic status, and politics to deliver an urgent call for justice and right relationship, placing all of us, rich and poor, oppressor and oppressed, on the same level. Mary’s song breaks down oppressive structures that promote injustice and alienation and calls us to affection and solicitude for the other, thereby restoring our dignity and humanity, as God has always faithfully done.
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Jesus identified with the spiritually poor (and ate with spiritually poor but rich tax collectors) and that didn't come across in the movie. In the movie, spiritual poverty was eclipsed by physical poverty issues. Jesus did feed the 5000 but that was to point them toward spiritual food and when they were over focused on keeping him as an endless fridge food source Jesus pointed the to Himself as the spiritual food in John 6 (...and they grumbled...) Physical needs important, spiritual needs more so,

A red flag was the movie not mentioning the pope's views on abortion. The pope's views one abortion as part of the throwaway culture didn't make it to the final movie. And that's a pity because Pope Francis opposes abortion I'm afraid some aspects of his views 'left' out by the 'left'ist director. The gospel and grace was not said with clarity, too ambiguous and the gospel not said with clarity (but there was a nice but brief mention of the thief on the cross being saved by faith and mercy) God's word left more ambiguous, saying Genesis is a mythic expression which undermines the foundational importance of Genesis and is a bit too much like 'take it with a grain of salt'

The movie skipped Mary (but mentioned mother earth), skipped abortion (part of a Catholic view that I think is on very high ground and commendable) and not a comment about Protestants (but problematically claimed God might save atheists even if they remain atheists ... and problematically the pope read a poem by Sir Thomas Moore who persecuted protestants ).
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
God's word left more ambiguous, saying Genesis is a mythic expression which undermines the foundational importance of Genesis and is a bit too much like 'take it with a grain of salt'
"Myth" does not mean nor imply falsehood but deals with the purpose of the narrative, which rather clearly is to teach basic Jewish beliefs about God and His creation as well as basic morals and values

and problematically the pope read a poem by Sir Thomas Moore who persecuted protestants ).
Yes, he did at first, but also let me remind you that Protestants, like Luther and Calvin, did much the same with Catholics and Jews as religious tolerance was almost nonexistent back then. Matter of fact, Protestants weren't even tolerant towards each other.

However, one certainly does not excuse the other.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Physical needs important, spiritual needs more so,
Both not only are important, they're also mandated in the gospel. The word "poor" shows up 37 times in the NT and 145 times in the OT, and most of the time it refers to the mandate to help take care of the poor.

Within Catholicism and the Pope, the issue of faith is a given as being very important, but the issue of what may happen with atheists whom may actually do their best to live a life of love, compassion, and justice has long been an unanswerable question, especially with those who may not have proper exposure to the teachings of Jesus. Is a person living in China who's never heard of Jesus to be supposedly condemned? What kind of god would do that?

IMO, best to leave such judgments to God.
 
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