The Need For Christian Symbolism on Government Property

[Faithofchristian]

I do not wish to disparage you, but you are not thinking critically, and you seem utterly unaware of what "editing" means. Also, you seem to have difficulty understanding context, and how things can change when you remove the context.

Let's pretend that you have a video of me that shows me saying, "if by 'are you Christian' you mean was I born and raised in a Christian community, baptized and so forth, then I would have to say yes, I am a Christian. But that is not my understanding of what it means to be Christian, so of course it's nonsense."

Now, if you take that video and delete everything except the bit I highlighted, you could get a video of me saying I am a Christian -- when in fact I never said so in any what that is meaningful and when in fact I am decidedly NOT Christian.

And that is what happened in the video believe so heartily. So I stand by my criticism fully -- the claim that Obama claimed to be Muslim is FALSE. Only dishonest editing and uncritical, unthinking viewers could believe otherwise.

It's not false, When someone states right out their own mouth when ask they say they are Muslim and of the Muslim faith.
How much more clear can that be.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I do not wish to disparage you, but you are not thinking critically, and you seem utterly unaware of what "editing" means. Also, you seem to have difficulty understanding context, and how things can change when you remove the context.

Let's pretend that you have a video of me that shows me saying, "if by 'are you Christian' you mean was I born and raised in a Christian community, baptized and so forth, then I would have to say yes, I am a Christian. But that is not my understanding of what it means to be Christian, so of course it's nonsense."

Now, if you take that video and delete everything except the bit I highlighted, you could get a video of me saying I am a Christian -- when in fact I never said so in any what that is meaningful and when in fact I am decidedly NOT Christian.

And that is what happened in the video believe so heartily. So I stand by my criticism fully -- the claim that Obama claimed to be Muslim is FALSE. Only dishonest editing and uncritical, unthinking viewers could believe otherwise.

Ok, I can Respect that. If someone ask you such and such a question and you answered I am Muslim and of the Muslim faith, How much more clearer can Obama be.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Ok, I can Respect that. If someone ask you such and such a question and you answered I am Muslim and of the Muslim faith, How much more clearer can Obama be.

And like the quote that -- out of context -- would seem to falsely make me a Christian, do you know for certain that what Obama said was not taken from a similar context (and that context edited out)?

That's what you need to understand, and clearly do not.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Come on, just put in your search engine

---> video obama professing a muslim <----

And it will come up about Obama himself professing to be a muslim

You're asking him to verify a claim of yours that you could have easily supported with an argument and/or a supporting link.

To be willing to do as you suggest, he'd either have to trust your judgment enough to believe that you're probably correct on a matter that he cares about. Neither of those might be the case.

They weren't for me. I also didn't Google the matter. I don't see it being worth the effort.

With all due respect, we encounter two distinct communities of posters: those familiar with and respectful of the standards of academia, and those in a different world. The latter are much more likely to be swayed by propaganda and to have misunderstood what they have read. There just isn't much incentive to take their unsupported claims seriously or even make the effort to confirm or disconfirm them.

Bottom line: When dealing with those trained in the methods and values of academia, most of whom have learned skepticism for unsupported claims, if you want to be believed, make and support your argument yourself. If you depend on others to do it, you will likely be disappointed.

Proceed accordingly.

Now your to funny, Obama himself professing himself to be a Muslim and you call what Obama himself is saying that he is a Muslim as false.
So your saying, that you can't take Obama at his own words professing as being a Muslim
Your just to funny.

I think what he is saying is that he doesn't take YOU at your word. Support your claims or have them be disregarded. As Hitchens says, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You say it's false, Why don't check it out for yourself then, you will hear Obama himself saying that he's a Muslim.
Why you can't even believe it when Obama himself professing to be a Muslim.

Put in your search engine
---> video obama professing Muslim
And hear Obama for yourself professing to being Muslim. Or are you to afraid to find out that you been lied to?

Please stop being obtuse. You can listen to the recording yourself, and you can perfectly easily see where it has been clipped and cobbled together. You can make anybody seem to say anything that way. It's done to disparage people by those with no more ethics than a snake, and you are ignoring that only because it APPEARS TO SAY

 

[Faithofchristian]

Please stop being obtuse. You can listen to the recording yourself, and you can perfectly easily see where it has been clipped and cobbled together. You can make anybody seem to say anything that way. It's done to disparage people by those with no more ethics than a snake, and you are ignoring that only because it APPEARS TO SAY

So you say, but when you got Obama himself admitting that he is Muslim. There's nothing there to be misunderstood or to be taken out of it's context.
Obama was ask if he was muslim and Obama answered Yes I am Muslim.
What's so hard about with that.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

So you say, but when you got Obama himself admitting that he is Muslim. There's nothing there to be misunderstood or to be taken out of it's context.
Obama was ask if he was muslim and Obama answered Yes I am Muslim.
What's so hard about with that.

Fine, I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore, because you've proven to my satisfaction that you cannot think rationally beyond your predetermined beliefs.

But since you insist that Obama is a Muslim because "he said so," then by precisely the same reasoning, you must admit that I am a Christian, because I said so. You can read it above, in red. All you need do is remove all of the non-red words, and there it is.

 

[1AOA1]

Why do the religious, the vast majority being Christians, need these symbols of their faith on secular pieces of property?

"Government property" is a stretch.