The Need For Christian Symbolism on Government Property

[ImmortalFlame]

Don't care.

Really? Because it's literally in the exact same amendment that entitles you to freedom of religion.

So, I guess you don't care about freedom of religion.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I was making a point. Contrary to popular belief there is freedom of religion in THIS country.

It seems like a strange point to make.
Did someone suggest that there wasn't?

If you don't like it, MOVE.

Or work to make it better.
I always find these kinds of commands to be strange as well.

 

[leibowde84]

How do you figure conservatives with Liberal democrates.
When in fact it was Liberal democrates who were out violently protesting burning Destroying other people's Property.

Why would conservatives be out protesting, When they Voted for Trump.

It was Liberal democrates who were violently protesting against Trump.
Go Figure

I never said they were violently protesting Trump. That would be absurd. The Alt Right is known to be violent. Look at what happened in Charlottesville, VA. Both sides were violent, but only one side was teamed up with Nazis. And, it was abundantly clear that the White Nationalists started the confrontation by intimidation (dressed in fatigues with high-powered rifles, spewing racist slurs, and holding nazi, torch ceremonies).

But, all in all, it is undeniable that there are bad actors on both sides when it comes to violent protests. To claim otherwise is absurd.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your Right, people can not handle Freedom of Religion nor can people handle Freedom of Speech.

People will do whatever they can do to discredit the founding fathers on this.

No Matter how one views the founding fathers they were a Religious People.

The founding fathers put forth the
1st Amendment to the Constitution to guarantee Religious People have the Free Exercise thereof. To Express their Religious beliefs.

John Adams also wrote, which all the founding fathers agreed with.

John Adams wrote ---> The Constitution was written for a Moral and Religious people and is unfit for any other people.

You really need to read the OP again. And most of the comments on the thread.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I never suggested this. This is nothing but a straw man, where you have fraudulently put words in my mouth. It is not OK for any government to use illegal means to influence elections in other countries. Whether it is Russia or the U.S. that is guilty of using illegal means (like Wikileaks, for example), it is not OK.

But, you still haven't provided any evidence that the claims you made about the Obama Administration are true. Do you have any?

Nope, just going by the facts. The numbers are very easy to find. During the first 7 years of Obama's presidency over 2.7 million illegal immigrants were deported. That was the most in over a century. So, believe it or not, it is a cold hard fact that Obama was pretty tough on deportations. Trump just lied about it, as he lies about almost everything (even things as small as the number of floors his buildings have). He is probably the most dishonest politician I've seen in my lifetime.
Actually, this sounds like you are the one whining about the media holding Trump accountable for his words, lack of ability to make deals, and his lack of legislative action (executive orders don't really accomplish much, as they will most likely be reversed by the next President).

The Washington Times Reported that back on Tuesday July 12, 2016.
Obama Administration, Sent Taxpayers money to Campaign to oust Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu .

But yet Obama , Hillary Complain about Russia, What's up with all that. Go Figure

 

[DavidFirth]

It seems like a strange point to make.
Did someone suggest that there wasn't?


Or work to make it better.
I always find these kinds of commands to be strange as well.

It already is better. It has been since 1776. Or did you miss your American History 101 classes?

 

[leibowde84]

The Washington Times Reported that back on Tuesday July 12, 2016.
Obama Administration, Sent Taxpayers money to Campaign to oust Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu .

But yet Obama , Hillary Complain about Russia, What's up with all that. Go Figure

While I don't think it is a good idea, you are comparing apples and oranges. The Russians used illegal means to influence our election in favor of Trump. Obama did not.

 

[leibowde84]

It already is better. It has been since 1776. Or did you miss your American History 101 classes?

I think he meant that the separation of church and state can be "better" than it is now. Obviously, it isn't perfect yet, so there is always room for improvement.

 

[Faithofchristian]

While I don't think it is a good idea, you are comparing apples and oranges. The Russians used illegal means to influence our election in favor of Trump. Obama did not.

No but Obama interfered with Israel's elections. By sending taxpayers money to oust Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu.

So Obama used Illegal means to influence Israel's election's.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It already is better. It has been since 1776.

Or did you miss your American History 101 classes?

Well, that's your opinion. Slavery was okay back then too. And women couldn't vote. Just because you're good with that, doesn't mean other people don't want to progress and make things better for everyone.

The First Amendment was passed on September 25, 1789 and ratified on December 15, 1791. Did you miss history class?

Edit: You indicated that there is some "popular belief" that there is no religious freedom in the US. I was wondering where you had heard such a thing.

 

[DavidFirth]

Really? Because it's literally in the exact same amendment that entitles you to freedom of religion.

So, I guess you don't care about freedom of religion.

You guess a lot of things - wrongly.

 

[DavidFirth]

I think he meant that the separation of church and state can be "better" than it is now. Obviously, it isn't perfect yet, so there is always room for improvement.

I think it's just fine.

 

[DavidFirth]

Well, that's your opinion. Slavery was okay back then too. And women couldn't vote. Just because you're good with that, doesn't mean other people don't want to progress and make things better for everyone.

Well, I think freedom of religion is what's best for everyone. Including the freedom of government officials to express their religion also.

 

[ChristineM]

I never suggested this. This is nothing but a straw man, where you have fraudulently put words in my mouth.

Seems to be @Faithofchristian MO.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Well, that's your opinion. Slavery was okay back then too. And women couldn't vote. Just because you're good with that, doesn't mean other people don't want to progress and make things better for everyone.

The First Amendment was ratified on December 15, 1791. Did you miss history class?

Have you any idea who was the first to have black slaves in this country.

The first to have black slaves in this country, Was a black man name Anthony Johnson back in 1662-70.
Way before any whites owned black slaves in this country.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well, I think freedom of religion is what's best for everyone. Including the freedom of government officials to express their religion also.

You missed my edit:

Well, that's your opinion. Slavery was okay back then too. And women couldn't vote. Just because you're good with that, doesn't mean other people don't want to progress and make things better for everyone.

The First Amendment was passed on September 25, 1789 and ratified on December 15, 1791. Did you miss history class?

Edit: You indicated that there is some "popular belief" that there is no religious freedom in the US. I was wondering where you had heard such a thing.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Have you any idea who was the first to have black slaves in this country.

The first to have black slaves in this country, Was a black man name Anthony Johnson back in 1662-70.
Way before any whites owned black slaves in this country.

What does that have to do with my point?

 

[Faithofchristian]

What does that have to do with my point?

To clear up things, That Whites we're not the first to have black slaves in this country.

But a black man named Anthony Johnson in 1662-70 was the first to have blacks as slaves in this country.

Whites are always put down for having black Slaves When in fact it was a black man who first had black slaves in this country.

 

[leibowde84]

No but Obama interfered with Israel's elections. By sending taxpayers money to oust Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu.

So Obama used Illegal means to influence Israel's election's.

Why do you think that is illegal? What law was he breaking? It's not illegal to contribute money to campaign against someone.

 

[leibowde84]

To clear up things, That Whites we're not the first to have black slaves in this country.

But a black man named Anthony Johnson in 1662-70 was the first to have blacks as slaves in this country.

Whites are always put down for having black Slaves When in fact it was a black man who first had black slaves in this country.

Why does it matter if a black person had a slave first? White people in the south had far more slaves than any other race in the United States. It's probably like a million/1 shot.