The New Testament is not a Closed Canon.

[Tumah]

True, imagine reading from endless scrolls without any punctuation. But these present the final gathering of multiple oral traditions, from the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah. Scholars have identified four distinct traditions through the Pentateuch. Christian Scripture is an interpretation of Hebrew Scripture, believing Jesus to be the embodiment of the 'Law and the Prophets'.

Please don't take everything he says as fact. There is no punctuation but there are word, line and paragraph breaks.

 

[John D. Brey]

Please don't take everything he says as fact. There is no punctuation but there are word, line and paragraph breaks.

Not on the signature text according to tradition. It was one long string of consonants which constituted not a readable text but a cipher requiring a key with which to decipher where one word ends and another starts. Where one sentence ends and another starts.


John

 

[moorea944]

The world is a mess because we make it that way. before we came on the scene, nature ran its course.



why bring Israel into it ? God loves every one equally, he has a covenant with the Jews.



We know his commandments, we know nothing of his plans




There are many things in the bible that I do not believe and that includes Revelations. and passages about the end of time as you have included like 2 Thes 1.

We should not do what God wants to get a reward, or to avoid such horrors, but do them because it is right to do so. we do them through love.

The world is a mess because we make it that way.

I agree, it is the people on this planet that makes it like that. But what I was also saying is that God allows that to happen. And that will change when our Creator's son returns.

why bring Israel into it ?

Because it's all about Israel.

God loves every one equally,

Absolutely not!! Are you saying that God loves everyone in the world? I hope not. God hates too. He despises wickedness.

he has a covenant with the Jews.

Yes, he does. And with us too. Those covenants have now been "extended" to us. We have now been grafted into those promises. And through baptism (Gal 3) we are now "in Christ" and "in the promises" to Abraham.

We know his commandments, we know nothing of his plans

We know alot of His plans. Not everything of course, but scripture does tell us some things.

We know that in Numbers he tells Moses that someday he will fill the whole earth with His glory. In Habakkuk 2 we are told that the LORD wants to fill the earth with His knowledge.

We know that Israel will be restored. The throne of David with be restored. That kingdom was an imperfect kingdom and will be made perfect by Christ.

We also know that by the Lord's prayer, God's will, He wants to set up a worldwide kingdom and have his son rule in righteousness.
There are so many other things that God want to do. He reveals His plans to us through his written word.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I agree, it is the people on this planet that makes it like that. But what I was also saying is that God allows that to happen. And that will change when our Creator's son returns.

The early Christians believed that Jesus would return in their life time... it did not happen .. it was a false belief... forget it.

Because it's all about Israel.

that is not my understanding

Absolutely not!! Are you saying that God loves everyone in the world? I hope not. God hates too. He despises wickedness.

We are all sinners God loves us all , every one can repent and be forgiven.

Yes, he does. And with us too. Those covenants have now been "extended" to us. We have now been grafted into those promises. And through baptism (Gal 3) we are now "in Christ" and "in the promises" to Abraham.

Christians are not included in the Jewish covenant with God, nor do we follow their law.

It is supposed by many that Jesus, promises, established a new covenant, however a covenant is not a promise, it is a contract or bargain. we have never established or entered into such a bargain.

We know a lot of His plans. Not everything of course, but scripture does tell us some things.

We know that in Numbers he tells Moses that someday he will fill the whole earth with His glory. In Habakkuk 2 we are told that the LORD wants to fill the earth with His knowledge.

To read that as applying to Christians in particular is substitution theology.

We know that Israel will be restored. The throne of David with be restored. That kingdom was an imperfect kingdom and will be made perfect by Christ.

I doubt a kingdom of Israel will ever be restored, certainly not by Christ.

We also know that by the Lord's prayer, God's will, He wants to set up a worldwide kingdom and have his son rule in righteousness.
There are so many other things that God want to do. He reveals His plans to us through his written word.

The Lords prayer does not mention Jesus it only mentions God's kingdom. It pre-dates the ideas in revelation.
Trawling the Bible for disjointed snippets or fragments of prophecy establishes no plan.
The earliest version of the Lord's Prayer we know is in the Didache which does not even recognise the Trinity.
The prayer is about Eschatology, though few seem to know or understand that.

 

[2X4]

The New Testament is not a Canon of scripture.

The only closed canon is the Pentateuch. All other scripture is commentary on the Pentateuch and should not be considered "closed," or a "canon."

The New Testament drew first blood. It was written, codified, and falsely canonized before the Talmud followed suit.


John

I believe that Christ will give us life forever so of course the NT is not a closed canon.

 

[moorea944]

The early Christians believed that Jesus would return in their life time... it did not happen .. it was a false belief... forget it.

that is not my understanding


We are all sinners God loves us all , every one can repent and be forgiven.


Christians are not included in the Jewish covenant with God, nor do we follow their law.

It is supposed by many that Jesus, promises, established a new covenant, however a covenant is not a promise, it is a contract or bargain. we have never established or entered into such a bargain.



We know that in Numbers he tells Moses that someday he will fill the whole earth with His glory. In Habakkuk 2 we are told that the LORD wants to fill the earth with His knowledge.

To read that as applying to Christians in particular is substitution theology.



I doubt a kingdom of Israel will ever be restored, certainly not by Christ.



The Lords prayer does not mention Jesus it only mentions God's kingdom. It pre-dates the ideas in revelation.
Trawling the Bible for disjointed snippets or fragments of prophecy establishes no plan.
The earliest version of the Lord's Prayer we know is in the Didache which does not even recognise the Trinity.
The prayer is about Eschatology, though few seem to know or understand that.

Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

The early Christians believed that Jesus would return in their life time... it did not happen .. it was a false belief... forget it.

that is not my understanding


We are all sinners God loves us all , every one can repent and be forgiven.


Christians are not included in the Jewish covenant with God, nor do we follow their law.

It is supposed by many that Jesus, promises, established a new covenant, however a covenant is not a promise, it is a contract or bargain. we have never established or entered into such a bargain.



We know that in Numbers he tells Moses that someday he will fill the whole earth with His glory. In Habakkuk 2 we are told that the LORD wants to fill the earth with His knowledge.

To read that as applying to Christians in particular is substitution theology.



I doubt a kingdom of Israel will ever be restored, certainly not by Christ.



The Lords prayer does not mention Jesus it only mentions God's kingdom. It pre-dates the ideas in revelation.
Trawling the Bible for disjointed snippets or fragments of prophecy establishes no plan.
The earliest version of the Lord's Prayer we know is in the Didache which does not even recognise the Trinity.
The prayer is about Eschatology, though few seem to know or understand that.

The early Christians believed that Jesus would return in their life time... it did not happen .. it was a false belief... forget it.

Scripture tells us that Jesus will return but we dont know when. We can only hope for a soon return.

that is not my understanding

I know.......

We are all sinners God loves us all , every one can repent and be forgiven.

Are you saying that God loves everyone in the whole wide world? Can you show me a verse on that? But yes, everyone and anyone can repent.

It is supposed by many that Jesus, promises, established a new covenant, however a covenant is not a promise, it is a contract or bargain.

A covenant is also a promise. It is a contract, agreement or promise. Look at the promises to Abraham...

we have never established or entered into such a bargain.

Sure we have. What happens when we get baptised?.... We enter into a covenant through baptism.

I doubt a kingdom of Israel will ever be restored, certainly not by Christ.

It's all through scripture. Paul says his hope is the hope of Israel. In Acts, the apostles asked Jesus, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? David is told that his kingdom will be restored in the future by someone who would come from him. There's so much more....
So my question to you is, since your not Christian and dont believe in the bible, what are you doing on this board? Just curious.....

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?




Scripture tells us that Jesus will return but we dont know when. We can only hope for a soon return.

I know.......


Are you saying that God loves everyone in the whole wide world? Can you show me a verse on that? But yes, everyone and anyone can repent.


A covenant is also a promise. It is a contract, agreement or promise. Look at the promises to Abraham...


Sure we have. What happens when we get baptised?.... We enter into a covenant through baptism.


It's all through scripture. Paul says his hope is the hope of Israel. In Acts, the apostles asked Jesus, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? David is told that his kingdom will be restored in the future by someone who would come from him. There's so much more....
So my question to you is, since your not Christian and dont believe in the bible, what are you doing on this board? Just curious.....

I am indeed a Christian.
By your reckoning the early Christians who were taught by the Didiche were not christians either.
The knew nor believed in the virgin birth, the deity of Jesus, the end of times was not about Jesus it was about God, the knew nothing obout a trinity, they did believe Jesus was the Son of God they did believe in the holy spirit.
Since then our beliefs have been added to and extended by interpolation. They were unlikely have known about any version of the Gospels, or had access to any of Pauls epistles.

 

[moorea944]

I am indeed a Christian.
By your reckoning the early Christians who were taught by the Didiche were not christians either.
The knew nor believed in the virgin birth, the deity of Jesus, the end of times was not about Jesus it was about God, the knew nothing obout a trinity, they did believe Jesus was the Son of God they did believe in the holy spirit.
Since then our beliefs have been added to and extended by interpolation. They were unlikely have known about any version of the Gospels, or had access to any of Pauls epistles.

Since then our beliefs have been added to and extended by interpolation.

I totally agree with you. I think that Christianity has changed since the original teachings of Christ and the Apostles. I for one, do not believe in the trinity, I find that it totally degrades our Creator and was "put into" religion after the death of the apostles.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Have you ever heard the saying umm... no more immigration for no more Jesus or food for oil. Where did that come from? That kind of peace just isn't.