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The NRA at its best

Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Shared on Facebook ...

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OMG! Damn Obama and his pinko friends. But ...
... wait.​
From the FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table, Murder Victims by Weapon in 2011 was:
  • Handguns; 6,220
  • Rifles; 323
  • Shotguns; 356
  • Other guns; 97
  • Firearms, type not stated; 1,587
The term "lying scum" sounds harsh, but ...
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Not seeing your point.

There is no evidence of lies anywhere in your post.

Granted, it would be perhaps more advisable to ban handguns instead of semi-autos, but surely you agree that it would be far more problematic as well.
 
Apex

Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
Jayhawker Soule said:
Shared on Facebook ...


​

OMG! Damn Obama and his pinko friends. But ...
... wait.​
From the FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table, Murder Victims by Weapon in 2011 was:
  • Handguns; 6,220
  • Rifles; 323
  • Shotguns; 356
  • Other guns; 97
  • Firearms, type not stated; 1,587
The term "lying scum" sounds harsh, but ...
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Um, what lie? The graphic says rifles killed 323, which lines up with what you posted from the FBI...
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I think the NRA graph is misleading at best, although perhaps true to the letter.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Jayhawker Soule said:
Shared on Facebook ...

545219_10151456455491833_2012628852_n.jpg

OMG! Damn Obama and his pinko friends. But ...
... wait.​
From the FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table, Murder Victims by Weapon in 2011 was:
  • Handguns; 6,220
  • Rifles; 323
  • Shotguns; 356
  • Other guns; 97
  • Firearms, type not stated; 1,587
The term "lying scum" sounds harsh, but ...
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I am confused.
The NRA ad is a complaint about Obama wanting to ban semi-automatic rifles, which according to the FBI table you linked to accounts for LESS than 323 deaths in the year 2011.

So it seems to me that the NRA is pointing out that it is handguns that Obama should be looking to ban...
 
Apex

Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
Sunstone said:
I think it could easily mislead people into assuming that the rifle figure accounted for all firearm deaths.
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Only if you also think the FBI's data could also mislead people in the same manner, and/or you think the average person is to dumb to know the difference between a handgun and a rifle.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Sunstone said:
I think it could easily mislead people into assuming that the rifle figure accounted for all firearm deaths.
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as much as i would like to argue this point, I have to say that with the ignorance of the general public growing as exponentially as it currently is, I am honestly scared that you are actually right.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Apex said:
Only if you also think the FBI's data could also mislead people in the same manner, and/or you think the average person is to dumb to know the difference between a handgun and a rifle.
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except that I am willing to bet that most people will not bother to verify the data in the NRA ad and said ad does not include the damning numbers for hand guns.

of course, I tend to agree with the NRA ad in that "Obama" is wasting time, energy, resources, etc. in banning the wrong fire arm type.
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Apex said:
Only if you also think the FBI's data could also mislead people in the same manner, and/or you think the average person is to dumb to know the difference between a handgun and a rifle.
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I am assuming, but based on experience, that the average person reads quickly and with limited comprehension. I would not have stated things the same way the NRA did, if I wanted to be sure the average person came away with a correct interpretation. But I doubt I will persuade you to my point of view. So, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
The lie of omission.
Not only of other firearms, but of the murder devices that ARE illegal or highly regulated, yet used in less instances than "Rifles of any type".

Such as poisons, narcotics and explosives.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
tumbleweed41 said:
The lie of omission.
Not only of other firearms, but of the murder devices that ARE illegal or highly regulated, yet used in less instances than "Rifles of any type".
Such as poisons, narcotics and explosives.
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For the narrow point they were making about rifles, I'd say they were rather honest & accurate.
When arguing a point in the general media, it's ordinary to tailor one's evidence to enhance the argument.
People won't sit thru an hour of reasoned pros & cons full of dry evidence &....&....zzzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzz
To call it a "lie of omission" is off the mark & over the top, but in the bash-the-NRA spirit of the OP, I guess it's appropriate.
 
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BBTimeless

BBTimeless

Active Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Shared on Facebook ...

OMG! Damn Obama and his pinko friends. But ...
... wait.​
From the FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table, Murder Victims by Weapon in 2011 was:
  • Handguns; 6,220
  • Rifles; 323
  • Shotguns; 356
  • Other guns; 97
  • Firearms, type not stated; 1,587
The term "lying scum" sounds harsh, but ...
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This entire issue has me torn. There is evidence to support stricter and lax gun control. The facts still remain, however, that a law will not stop someone from killing someone else. The weapon they use to carry it out is irrelevant because they will find a way to acquire one. I am not a big fan of the NRA but I think they got me here, how much of a difference would banning semi-auto rifles really make? I applaud the president for trying to make something happen, but the reality of it, it might be for nothing. :(
 
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Apex

Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
BBTimeless said:
This entire issue has me torn. There is evidence to support stricter and lax gun control. The facts still remain, however, that a law will not stop someone from killing someone else. The weapon they use to carry it out is irrelevant because they will find a way to acquire one. I am not a big fan of the NRA but I think they got me here, how much of a difference would banning semi-auto rifles really make? I applaud the pres for trying to make something happen, but the reality of it, it might be for nothing. :(
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Why would you applaud the press for what they are doing? The overreaction this has caused is creating proposed legislation that will treat every day citizens (such as myself) as criminal simply because we own a rifle that has a plastic stock instead of a wood one.
 
BBTimeless

BBTimeless

Active Member
Apex said:
Why would you applaud the press for what they are doing? The overreaction this has caused is creating proposed legislation that will treat every day citizens (such as myself) as criminal simply because we own a rifle that has a plastic stock instead of a wood one.
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pres=/=press, remind me not to use short hand. Let me fix that...
 
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