Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
I think the suggestions I posted here would be a good start: http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...rol-laws-would-actually-work.html#post3197722
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The NRA at its best
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I agree.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
You may notice, a ban on combat weapons is not among them.
I did not say I found it enough or, for that matter, effective. But it is a start and a step in the right direction.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
What would you think of an incremental approach? Such as the gov. first actually enforcing the gun control laws already on the books (it has a horrible record of doing so btw). Wait some time to see what effect that has. Then, enacting laws similar to what I have suggested. And then, when sufficient time has passed to accurately assess what effects those laws have had, only then consider an outright ban on the different types of semi-auto firearms.
Would you be opposed to that?
BBTimeless
Active Member
This is a common problem I am noticing. We seem to want instant results, a silver bullet. This takes many reasonable options off the table because of a lack of faith in the long-term effects.
DivineAmandus
Member
The Colt Lobbying Arm cares less about gun "rights" than politicians. They are perfectly happy to throw you to the wolves as long as they can outlaw competition from those foreign-made 'assault rifles'.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
The plan is all of the above.
They won't get the ban on combat weapons
They may get the ban on high capacity clips and drums
They will most likely the mental services part
They may get the closing of the gun show loophole
They may get universal background checks
There will be some other things that won't get done.
Personally...I'm starting to feel cynical throughout these various gun discussions. I'm personally coming to the conclusion that the federal government should back away FOREVER on this issue and let the states deal with it. Personally I believe states are ill-equipped and under funded to deal with this. Even so.
NO Federal money to the states for this issue.....so the next mass shooting in a particular locale is something that should be handled locally even though it seems evident it hasn't as of yet. ATF etc. can come to do their investigation but the rest should be left up to the states.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
Any reply on this Luis?
An incremental approach sounds reasonable, so that results can be assessed before trying other things.
But to just enforce existing laws seems required, but inadequate to the task of real violence reduction.
I'd start with:
- Gun storage & security standards
- Easy access to database of those prohibited from owning guns.
- Increased mental health outreach to risky folk.
Do you truly expect or want it to? It would be quite intrusive, easily trespassing the confort zone of the many people who value their rights to having firearms.
Actually, most laws are not to be strictly enforced. It is rarely constructive when they are.
I'd rather reverse the order. Passing even minimal and nominal restrictions may well be constructive, given the right political climate.
Of course, that is a high bet to make, if these threads are any indication.
Yes, mostly because that just can't happen. The matter is too emotionally and politically loaded, and will likely remain for decades.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
You are going to need to explain this one more. And some concrete examples that can be directly related to gun control would be very nice.
How do you expect people to "strictly enforce" firearms regulations without invading the privacy of homes and the people themselves?
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
I am talking more about known offenses going unprosecuted, and punishments being to light.
That is basically warranteed to make no true difference.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
We have evidence that implies differently:
Three areas where Biden and NRA can find common ground - CNN.com
Mr Spinkles
Mr
Question: what is more dangerous, a gun show, or a weaponless kindergarten classroom?
Answer: Gun Show Shootings: At Least 5 Hurt In Accidental Incidents In Ohio, Indiana, North Carolina
Answer: Gun Show Shootings: At Least 5 Hurt In Accidental Incidents In Ohio, Indiana, North Carolina
At the risk of inviting a grisly comparison, this doesn't quantify either alternative.
tytlyf
Not Religious
If only the problem would be addressed. Pistols are the problem in illegal hands.
How can you deal with a problem like this when the difference is responsible gun ownership versus irresponsible gun ownership?
The majority of murders happen by illegal pistol ownership. I look at it this way. It's a difference of what the gun is meant to be used for.
The problem is...... people that are trained to use a gun as a killing device and not a defensive device.
See Chicago.
How can you deal with a problem like this when the difference is responsible gun ownership versus irresponsible gun ownership?
The majority of murders happen by illegal pistol ownership. I look at it this way. It's a difference of what the gun is meant to be used for.
The problem is...... people that are trained to use a gun as a killing device and not a defensive device.
See Chicago.