The NRA at its best

[Revoltingest]

If only the problem would be addressed. Pistols are the problem in illegal hands.
How can you deal with a problem like this when the difference is responsible gun ownership versus irresponsible gun ownership?

The majority of murders happen by illegal pistol ownership. I look at it this way. It's a difference of what the gun is meant to be used for.

The problem is...... people that are trained to use a gun as a killing device and not a defensive device.
See Chicago.

Defensive handgun training is supposed to be about killing.
You don't "shoot to wound" or shoot the gun out of someone's hand as in westerns.

 

[dawny0826]

Shared on Facebook ...

OMG! Damn Obama and his pinko friends. But ...

... wait.
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From the FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table, Murder Victims by Weapon in 2011 was:

• Handguns; 6,220
• Rifles; 323
• Shotguns; 356
• Other guns; 97
• Firearms, type not stated; 1,587

The term "lying scum" sounds harsh, but ...

Personally, I think that everyone needs to acknowledge the holes in their logic. How many people died by car last year? Are we pushing a ban on cars? There's hypocrisy across the board.

 

[tytlyf]

Defensive handgun training is supposed to be about killing.
You don't "shoot to wound" or shoot the gun out of someone's hands as in westerns.

I knew that was gonna pop up, I should have put it in small words to predict it.
This isn't about what a guns supposed to be used for, but the mentality in the illegal ownership of weapons. These ghetto killings are done by people who illegally own weapons and their sole purpose isn't for defense, but to strike first and kill. See 187's.
It's the wrong mentality, but you can't blame them due to their environment. They don't keep guns in their homes thinking someone is gonna rob them, they keep them to kill if they're 'dissed.'

 

[Revoltingest]

I knew that was gonna pop up, I should have put it in small words to predict it.
This isn't about what a guns supposed to be used for, but the mentality in the illegal ownership of weapons. These ghetto killings are done by people who illegally own weapons and their sole purpose isn't for defense, but to strike first and kill. See 187's.
It's the wrong mentality, but you can't blame them due to their environment. They don't keep guns in their homes thinking someone is gonna rob them, they keep them to kill if they're 'dissed.'

I'd bet that many ghetto dwellers properly use handguns for self defense.
(Not all poor or ethnic people are gang bangers.)
After all, wouldn't they have the greatest need?

 

[tytlyf]

I'd bet that many ghetto dwellers properly use handguns for self defense.
(Not all poor or ethnic people are gang bangers.)
After all, wouldn't they have the greatest need?

Of course. But that isn't the issue, it's pistols in illegal hands that kill thousands a month. And they aren't inside.

Too many guns = too many hands.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course. But that isn't the issue, it's pistols in illegal hands that kill thousands a month. And they aren't inside.

Well, let's agree that guns should be removed where ownership is illegal.

 

[tytlyf]

Of course it should, that's the main issue at stake but doesn't get addressed by the NRA because it will hurt gun sales $$.
How do we get guns out of illegal hands?
Buy back double/triple the street value and destroy.

Cash works, laws don't

EDIT (Democrat Alert): Since people seem to agree with the proposal..
Go one step further. Do the same with ammunition.

I don't have a problem with the gov't spending a billion or 2 on this idea. Pennies in the bucket and we reduce guns/ammunition from 300+ million down to 200+ million. Or even further.

If it cost's 10 billion to get this done, I will be happy, as a taxpayer, to pay more to make sure it's DONE, OVER WITH, NADA

 

[BBTimeless]

Personally, I think that everyone needs to acknowledge the holes in their logic. How many people died by car last year? Are we pushing a ban on cars? There's hypocrisy across the board.

This was a foolish argument the first time you made it, and it is still foolish now. Cars have another purpose outside of destruction. To compare a weapon to a car is not a valid comparison.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

At the risk of inviting a grisly comparison, this doesn't quantify either alternative.

Five people shot at three separate gun shows in one day. That's more quantification than was offered when someone challenged that shootings are less likely at gun shows.

 

[Alceste]

Seems like you want to be getting on with banning handguns.

 

[Revoltingest]

Five people shot at three separate gun shows in one day. That's more quantification than was offered when someone challenged that shootings are less likely at gun shows.

Those accidents are certainly appalling, but it's worth noting that no one died, since there was no intent to kill.
It's a stretch to call any of these a "shooting". But every accident is an inexcusable failure, & should be dealt
with harshly.

One thing it points out to me is the abysmal lack of training I see in not just civilians, but also cops & soldiers (with some exceptions).
My idea of gun control is that the armed owner have proper handling & use drilled into them. This means a great emphasis on the
range with safety awareness & protocols enforced & becoming second nature.

Hey, where were you when we had that group hug? (There was no inappropriate touching....honest!)

 

[BBTimeless]

Those accidents are certainly appalling, but it's worth noting that no one died, since there was no intent to kill.
It's a stretch to call any of these a "shooting". But every accident is an inexcusable failure, & should be dealt
with harshly.

One thing it points out to me is the abysmal lack of training I see in not just civilians, but also cops & soldiers (with some exceptions).
My idea of gun control is that the armed owner have proper handling & use drilled into them. This means a great emphasis on the
range with safety awareness & protocols enforced & becoming second nature.

Hey, where were you when we had that group hug? (There was no inappropriate touching....honest!)

Damn it, I don't want to do this. But I ag-.. ahem... I agre-... gee this is painful. I agree. Whew, ok, glad that's over.

 

[Revoltingest]

Damn it, I don't want to do this. But I ag-.. ahem... I agre-... gee this is painful. I agree. Whew, ok, glad that's over.

I'll try to step up my fringieness & rancor.

 

[averageJOE]

Defensive handgun training is supposed to be about killing.
You don't "shoot to wound" or shoot the gun out of someone's hand as in westerns.

...
One thing it points out to me is the abysmal lack of training I see in not just civilians, but also cops & soldiers (with some exceptions).
My idea of gun control is that the armed owner have proper handling & use drilled into them. This means a great emphasis on the
range with safety awareness & protocols enforced & becoming second nature.

Both posts I agree with 100%.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

WOW...!!!

"John" Wayne LaPiere sticks his foot in his mouth the other night by not fully understanding the source he cited, former Chief Justice, to a room full of people....

Wayne LaPierre, NRA Leader, Responds To Obama Inaugural Address

LaPierre quoted former Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black, a one-time Democratic congressman who served on the high court in the 1930s. "Justice Black understood the danger of self-appointed arbiters of what freedom really means, like President Obama," LaPierre said.

But Black is a problematic hero for LaPierre. In 1939, Black and fellow Supreme Court justices ruled unanimously in a landmark gun control case, United States v. Miller, that the Second Amendment does not protect blanket access for citizens to any type of firearm.

:biglaugh:

 

[Revoltingest]

WOW...!!!

"John" Wayne LaPiere sticks his foot in his mouth the other night by not fully understanding the source he cited, former Chief Justice, to a room full of people....

Wayne LaPierre, NRA Leader, Responds To Obama Inaugural Address
:biglaugh:

Your 2 quotes don't appear to be symptoms of foot in mouth disease.
I doubt that Wayne disagrees with the latter.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Your 2 quotes don't appear to be symptoms of foot in mouth disease.
I doubt that Wayne disagrees with the latter.

His stance was that the 2nd. Amendment was "absolute"...and by quoting a very small portion of Chief Justice Hugo Black he was seeking to further that notion...Unfortunately..Hugo Black's ruling showed that the 2nd. Amendment is anything but "absolute"....

 

[Revoltingest]

His stance was that the 2nd. Amendment was "absolute"...and by quoting a very small portion of Chief Justice Hugo Black he was seeking to further that notion...Unfortunately..Hugo Black's ruling showed that the 2nd. Amendment is anything but "absolute"....

I agree that it's absolute.
But you just might be inferring incorrectly about what "absolute" means.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I agree that it's absolute.
But you just might be inferring incorrectly about what "absolute" means.

Possibly but I'm only going by what "John" Wayne LaPierre was referring to....

 

[Revoltingest]

Possibly but I'm only going by what "John" Wayne LaPierre was referring to....

Have you evidence that "absolute" meant possessing any weapon?
If so, I'll be happy to disagree with him, & even call him a "poop head".