The number of ex-Muslims in America is rising

[whirlingmerc]

What the heck is "pure Islam?"

Not to sound rude but you're not from the United States are you? Or English being your first language. If it is my apologies but the syntax of this response leads me to believe otherwise and if so, what country are you from?

Like I said people come and go in religion all the damn time this is not thread worthy. For every person that leaves Islam at least 20 more are born into it and at least 10 more convert to it.

This is what you have to look forward to and if trends like this beyond 2050 continue Islam will be the world's dominant religion:

Yes, about a third of the world is baptized. Hard to say how much is cultural only

King David sang that all kings will sing of his God - sounds like there will be a prodigal coming home party on a very large scale?
Psalms book 5: Songs for coming home

 

[Samantha Rinne]

The problem with highlighting ex-Muslims is that most ex-Muslims come from war torn countries or come from places where there is heavy extremist views. Irshad Manji is a heavy influence, and unfortunately many ex-Muslims paint this picture that Islam is inherently wrong based on their own experience, linking it with scripture. Unfortunately, Muslims drunk with power have been the cornerstone and the face of Islam, and like any religion its members are seen as the face of the religion.

If we want to be technical Christianity as practiced in contemporary times have been the most poisonous of all faiths, but we would not see that in the media due to the influence of Christian economical influence. People leave and exchange religious faiths all the time this is nothing new in the world. Islam is no different and its not even thread worthy to even present such a thing. The only reason why "ex-Muslims" do this because at some point they were affected someway either living in an extremist society denoting the behaviors of extremist with said religion, or they were just unhappy., Either way, what is the point?

I'm an ex baptist Christian but does that mean I'll make a thread of how bad Christianity is? No. I had some disagreements with its theology and I left but it doesn't mean I'm going to make a thread on how bad it is, it just isn't for me. But those who make these types of threads have axes to grind.

This is not a problem. This is a cause. They have seen firsthand that the Islamic state in their particular country produced a dystopic state. Also, you sound like an apologist to Muslims. I am not saying Islam is good or bad (though I think it's bad). I'm saying if. If you live in a country, that has no running water, no women's rights, bombed out streets, and there are thugs at every corner, and you can expect to be killed in a given day, and you move to one that isn't like that and decide to adopt their religion, this is not a problem. It's a cause.

The problem (and this actually is a problem) is that those who don't become ex-Muslims or who become false ex-Muslims
have a tendency to bring their culture with them. As in, they came from terrible country, fleeing the terrible conditions. Then after they have all the modern Western benefits (including foodstamps, housing, and welfare), they turn around and demand Sharia law.

Ummmm, pardon me for saying so, but if Sharia law was great, why did you leave? Or if it wasn't great, and you were a legit refugee from a bad country, why do you now want this system?
This is called a Morton's Fork btw. Two opposite options lead to the same conclusion, the one here being that we do not need Sharia law. If Muslims want to be Muslims in private, want to become ex-Muslims, whatever. Fine. But in any case, there is zero reason to make more failed states, until you can work out how to ease back on the more screwed up systems.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

This is not a problem. This is a cause. They have seen firsthand that the Islamic state in their particular country produced a dystopic state. Also, you sound like an apologist to Muslims. I am not saying Islam is good or bad (though I think it's bad). I'm saying if. If you live in a country, that has no running water, no women's rights, bombed out streets, and there are thugs at every corner, and you can expect to be killed in a given day, and you move to one that isn't like that and decide to adopt their religion, this is not a problem. It's a cause.

The problem (and this actually is a problem) is that those who don't become ex-Muslims or who become false ex-Muslims
have a tendency to bring their culture with them. As in, they came from terrible country, fleeing the terrible conditions. Then after they have all the modern Western benefits (including foodstamps, housing, and welfare), they turn around and demand Sharia law.

Ummmm, pardon me for saying so, but if Sharia law was great, why did you leave? Or if it wasn't great, and you were a legit refugee from a bad country, why do you now want this system?
This is called a Morton's Fork btw. Two opposite options lead to the same conclusion, the one here being that we do not need Sharia law. If Muslims want to be Muslims in private, want to become ex-Muslims, whatever. Fine. But in any case, there is zero reason to make more failed states, until you can work out how to ease back on the more screwed up systems.

I have given up on this thread have at it haus

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The number of ex-Muslims in America is rising

Pathetic islamophobic gloating aside ...

,,, see: New estimates show U.S. Muslim Population continues to grow, noting​

"Religious conversions haven’t had a large impact on the size of the U.S. Muslim population, largely because about as many Americans convert to Islam as leave the faith. Indeed, while about one-in-five American Muslim adults were raised in a different faith tradition and converted to Islam, a similar share of Americans who were raised Muslim now no longer identify with the faith."​

See, also, Religion Declining, Secularism Surging.

Finally, see: Millennials: The Me Me Me Generation.

Congratulations.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I am undoubtedly one of many

 

[sayak83]

The number of ex-everything in America is rising. It's rising everywhere else, too...Lots of ex Muslims, ex Christians, ex...you name it. People are leaving everything all over the place.

Soon we will have Ex-earthers, for people who leave earth for Mars.

 

[Revoltingest]

Soon we will have Ex-earthers, for people who leave earth for Mars.

Goodbye telephone sanitizers, hairdressers, & marketing executives.

 

[dianaiad]

Soon we will have Ex-earthers, for people who leave earth for Mars.

yeah...but I think that THEY have to come back. At least, for awhile.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I also forgot to leave out the fact that the numbers are probably higher in the Ummah I bet as it is seems that there is heavy suppression of vices as deemed by canonized Islamic law.

 

[LuisDantas]

I also forgot to leave out the fact that the numbers are probably higher in the Ummah I bet as it is seems that there is heavy suppression of vices as deemed by canonized Islamic law.

This is a bit hard to parse for those who are not well acquaintanced with the terminology.

I take it that in this context the Ummah would be the wider community of Muslim-majority people?

And your point seems to be that the actual numbers of non-Muslims in those communities are probably higher than officially admitted, because current Islamic law somehow encourages raising those numbers?.

 

[Sha'irullah]

This is a bit hard to parse for those who are not well acquaintanced with the terminology.

I take it that in this context the Ummah would be the wider community of Muslim-majority people?

And your point seems to be that the actual numbers of non-Muslims in those communities are probably higher than officially admitted, because current Islamic law somehow encourages raising those numbers?.

You made a spot on analysis of what I said, but yes this is what I am saying exactly.

Of course a lot of evidence is anecdotal but with secularization and the strains of Islam being promoted to counter traditionalism in the Middle East it seems safe to assume that apostasy is much more rampant and kept in the hearts of the apostate.

You have pushes for gays to be recognized in the Middle East because of this importation of western values. I cannot fathom that there is no abandonment of the religion due to this, it seems logical that apostasy is the logical step.

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you think that this change comes necessarily from the outside? Isn't there any way for a fully Muslim community to decide that homosexuals should be accepted, for instance, or that they should trust God to decide whether there is any wrong in leaving Islaam?

 

[Cooky]

The problem with highlighting ex-Muslims is that most ex-Muslims come from war torn countries or come from places where there is heavy extremist views. Irshad Manji is a heavy influence, and unfortunately many ex-Muslims paint this picture that Islam is inherently wrong based on their own experience, linking it with scripture. Unfortunately, Muslims drunk with power have been the cornerstone and the face of Islam, and like any religion its members are seen as the face of the religion.

If we want to be technical Christianity as practiced in contemporary times have been the most poisonous of all faiths, but we would not see that in the media due to the influence of Christian economical influence. People leave and exchange religious faiths all the time this is nothing new in the world. Islam is no different and its not even thread worthy to even present such a thing. The only reason why "ex-Muslims" do this because at some point they were affected someway either living in an extremist society denoting the behaviors of extremist with said religion, or they were just unhappy., Either way, what is the point?

I'm an ex baptist Christian but does that mean I'll make a thread of how bad Christianity is? No. I had some disagreements with its theology and I left but it doesn't mean I'm going to make a thread on how bad it is, it just isn't for me. But those who make these types of threads have axes to grind.

It may or may not be an axe grinding. Who can say for sure without asking a single question?