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The Obamas are Producing a Comedy Series About Trump's Incompetence

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
True. It is easier to respect someone that behaves respectably. But it is good also to remember, it is not the person who is special, it is the office, or the assignment. It is not the person behaving disrespectfully, but the position they hold that demands the respect. Because really if God has allowed the authority, the way you treat it is the way you treat God.

In Israel when God appointed Moses to lead the Israelites, and the people complained against Moses Jehovah took offense personally at it as if they were complaining directly against him.

Hmmm... Is Kim Jong Un to be respected? His office, maybe? His family won that office and shaped it into what it is today, and it will stay in their control for a very long time because of it. Plenty of blood (Christian blood as well) on those hands.

Maybe King George when he was trying to control America? Should we not have rebelled against him, and fight to be free of his rule? If we had just acquiesced to his rule, America would be in a much different place than it is now.

Can't say I agree with your position.
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Hmmm... Is Kim Jong Un to be respected? His office, maybe? His family won that office and shaped it into what it is today, and it will stay in their control for a very long time because of it. Plenty of blood (Christian blood as well) on those hands.

Maybe King George when he was trying to control America? Should we not have rebelled against him, and fight to be free of his rule? If we had just acquiesced to his rule, America would be in a much different place than it is now.

Can't say I agree with your position.

Jehovah's Witnesses were sent to concentration camps and murdered because they refused to Heil Hitler. But neither did they ever disrspect him. They realized that God would deal with him. And Jehovah did.

There is a scripture that tells us:

"If you see any oppression of the poor and a violation of justice and righteousness in your district, do not be surprised about the matter. For that high official is being watched by one who is higher than he is, and there are others who are still higher than they are."-Ecclesiastes 5:8.

It is nothing surprising that we see governmental officials abuse their office and the power they have been granted. But always remember they answer to someone higher than them. Everyone answers to God. No one is above his authority, and his justice. Everyone will receive justice and will be judged righteously by the righteous and just God who judges accordingly.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The quote in the Law was given to the Jews, but its principle still holds true. It gives us the mind of God How he views authority.
I'm not going to insult your intelligence. I am pleased that you have a mind of your own, but I also have one.

An example is recalled to mind now. It has to do with saluting of the flag. Jehovah's Witnesses view a pledge of allegiance to any flag as a form of idol worship and therefore refrain because of their worship to Jehovah God.
I have not agreed to your pronounciation of the tetragrammaton nor of your notion of idol worship. The coin bears Caesar's image, but its just money. How you use the money is what matters I think. Its fine for you to think otherwise, but I don't want you to think I agree. I don't. When I pledge I don't pledge to sin or to disobey God or to put treaties and laws above morals. I pledge to ideals, the good ones.

The flag to me is also superior to Caesar's coin, because far from being an idol it is a commitment to care about other people in pursuit of the best unity, a unity in spirit. How can that be idolatry? If for some reason that allegiance is betrayed then the oath has been taken in ignorance and is dismissable (like any oath taken in ignorance). This is dismissal of ignorance is alluded to in Moses law but Conscience also upholds this, because you can see in common law that if someone signs a contract but has been deceived such contract can be overturned. It is a universal truth that people generally understand, and that is why its in the Law of Moses to begin with.

What about soldiers and police? They are enjoined not to press people for money, not to be corrupt. They aren't told to leave the military or the police force. They aren't called idolators by Jesus for their service to the military. Why would my participation as a citizen be considered such? Why not just be the best citizen I can be?
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
What about soldiers and police? They are enjoined not to press people for money, not to be corrupt. They aren't told to leave the military or the police force. They aren't called idolators by Jesus for their service to the military. Why would my participation as a citizen be considered such? Why not just be the best citizen I can be?

What is the point of the questions? Is it your trying to prove to yourself these things? You do what you believe is right in your eyes.

I don't have to ask these questions about myself.

We are each judged by God in relation to ourselves alone and not in respect the other person. The Bible tells us who we are. It gives us the requirements of God for us. And we will be judged based on that.

I respect you and your right to believe as you wish. I would never dare to impugn on another's free will.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
What is the point of the questions?
You've told me you know what the mind of God on the subject of allegiance and have put forward your own group as the exemplars of how allegiance to the flag should be eschewed. You have challenged that it is idolatry to God. It comes along with a claim to being a good authority on scripture and the mind of God. That is a challenge if I've ever heard one, in a debate section of a religious forum, too. Its a challenge to everyone in the thread criticizing the president, isn't it? Its saying "I think you folks are wrong, because here is what God says." The catch is you don't own what God's opinion is, so you can't be a source of information on it. Challenged by you its reasonable for me or anyone here to reply either with questions or statements. I think you can't answer my rhetorical question about citizenship, because it is logical. I don't think you have logical objections to participating, with God's approval, in the voting process, in the pledge to the flag, in participation in the military and police forces.
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
You've told me you know what the mind of God on the subject of allegiance and have put forward your own group as the exemplars of how allegiance to the flag should be eschewed. You have challenged that it is idolatry to God. It comes along with a claim to being a good authority on scripture and the mind of God. That is a challenge if I've ever heard one, in a debate section of a religious forum, too. Its a challenge to everyone in the thread criticizing the president, isn't it? Its saying "I think you folks are wrong, because here is what God says." The catch is you don't own what God's opinion is, so you can't be a source of information on it. Challenged by you its reasonable for me or anyone here to reply either with questions or statements. I think you can't answer my rhetorical question about citizenship, because it is logical. I don't think you have logical objections to participating, with God's approval, in the voting process, in the pledge to the flag, in participation in the military and police forces.

I am off. Don't have time to write, but I will quote the following about the flag, idolatry and worship:

Flag salute. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that bowing down to a flag or saluting it, often in conjunction with an anthem, is a religious act that ascribes salvation, not to God, but to the State or to its leaders. (Isaiah 43:11; 1 Corinthians 10:14; 1 John 5:21) One such leader was King Nebuchadnezzar of ancient Babylon. To impress the people with his majesty and religious ardor, this powerful monarch erected a great image and compelled his subjects to bow down to it while music, like an anthem, was being played. However, three Hebrews—Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego—refused to bow to the image, even on pain of death.—Daniel, chapter 3.

In our age, “nationalism’s chief symbol of faith and central object of worship is the flag,” wrote historian Carlton Hayes. “Men bare their heads when the flag passes by; and in praise of the flag poets write odes and children sing hymns.” Nationalism, he added, also has its “holy days,” such as the Fourth of July in the United States, as well as its “saints and heroes” and its “temples,” or shrines. In a public ceremony in Brazil, the minister general of the army acknowledged: “The flag is venerated and worshiped . . . just as the Fatherland is worshiped.” Yes, “the flag, like the cross, is sacred,” The Encyclopedia Americana once observed.

The aforementioned encyclopedia more recently noted that national anthems “are expressions of patriotic feeling and often include an invocation for divine guidance and protection of the people or their rulers.” Jehovah’s servants are not being unreasonable, therefore, when they view patriotic ceremonies involving the flag salute and national anthems as religious. In fact, when commenting on the refusal of children of Jehovah’s Witnesses to give homage to the flag or to swear the oath of allegiance in U.S. schools, the book The American Character stated: “That these daily rituals are religious has been at last affirmed by the Supreme Court in a series of cases.”

While not joining in ceremonies that they view as unscriptural, Jehovah’s people certainly respect the right of others to do so. They also respect national flags as emblems and recognize duly constituted governments as “superior authorities” serving as “God’s minister.” (Romans 13:1-4) Hence, Jehovah’s Witnesses heed the exhortation to pray “concerning kings and all those who are in high positions.” Our motive, though, is “so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness.”—1 Timothy 2:2.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Vanity Fair Article

The series, to be aired on Netflix, is a combination documentary/comedy about the Trump Administration's massive incompetence in handling the 2016 transition between the Obama and Trump governments.

At first, the transition was more or less going well when Chris Christie was in charge of it, but then the easily manipulated Trump fired Christie at the behest of Jared Kushner, who was seeking revenge. Christie had put Kushner's father behind bars about a decade earlier on 18 criminal convictions for illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering, and Kushner -- rather than blame his father for being a criminal -- blamed Christie for convicting his father of his crimes.

Following Christie's firing, Trump took over the transition more or less by himself, leading to hilarious (and disastrous) consequences.

Comments?


Sounds like more trash, which Netflix is a bit of a dumping ground for.
 
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