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The overwhelming episode of "Rape claim" & its effect on Males look towards females

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You have no idea. Really.
Men have always had to be careful as well.
Male rape gets reported less often, because it receives so little empathy or sympathy from people.

I've often suspected that the much higher suicide levels in males might be connected to male rape in many instances.

Cut out the 'women only' trash in your perspective about rape. Please. Try coming over to Equality thinking. You still don't seem to have learned.
I'm talking in the broader sense of the MeToo movement. I don't deny that men are raped as well. Of course they are. They should be believed when they come forward with their stories as well. But we have to face facts that there has been (and is) an epidemic of violence against women in North America (and various places around the world).

Someone was complaining that they have to be careful about flirting with co-workers and talking to women in nightclubs. Those are things that should have been happening all along. If that's the worst thing that happens from all this, I'd have to say that's not so bad. And it pales in comparison to the worrying that women have had to deal with on a daily basis, throughout their lives. Of course men can be and are, sexually harassed/assaulted as well. But this whole thing has been flipped around to make perpetrators of sexual harassment/assault to be the victims, and it's wrong.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Do you like people who are hyper-sensitive? Is that a quality you appreciate in a friend?

The current workplace male-female climate is hyper-sensitive, where men have to "walk on eggshells." That's obviously not conducive to male-female friendships.

So, yes. It's great that the workplace is unquestionably a better place today for women. But, it comes with a cost.
I have not experienced this "walking on eggshells" thing in my workplace. I have experienced co-workers trying to put their hands down my pants without my permission.
I'm not trying to flirt with people at work though.

Just talk to someone like they're a human being and you'll be fine.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Eesh, that's scary that such a person went on to teach high school. :eek:

I know what you're saying and I agree that anyone is capable of sexual harrassment/assault, but like I pointed out in our last conversation on the subject, let's not turn this into something it isn't. I resent the fact that apparently some people have now turned #MeToo around and are trying to make men out to be the victims and making it out to seem like most accusations are false, when we know that is not the case. Women are still the victims, in the vast majority of cases. And I think this whole Kavanaugh thing has shown us that nothing has changed all that much since the days of Anita Hill. If anything, they seem to have gotten worse. After all the claims that Kavanaugh's life and reputation have been ruined and he'll never recover and blah, blah, blah ... turns out, he's going to be just fine. Better than just fine, he's now a Supreme Court Justice. Meanwhile, Christine Blasey-Ford and her family still can't return home because their lives are still being threatened, and she was mocked and ridiculed by the President on national television (after very painfully describing in her testimony how her attackers laughed at her while they were attacking her and how that has stuck with her all these years), while a huge crowd of people laughed along with him. And I still see people wondering why victims don't speak out while at the same time trying to paint men as the victims. It's crazy.

As to this stuff about men having to be so darned afraid about flirting with co-workers in the office, now that women are speaking out, I'm sorry, but I don't have much sympathy, if that's men's biggest problem here. Maybe I can illustrate this for you. It was a nice night last night and so I felt like going for a walk and maybe grabbing a coffee at the shop a couple of blocks away. It was around dusk and was just getting dark. So I realized it was going to be quite dark on my way back. Instead of just putting on my shoes and walking to the shop, as my husband would do, I had to sit and think about what I would need to bring with me to be safe. Or whether I should even go at all. I grabbed my cell phone, and put that in my front pocket, just in case I needed to call someone if there was an emergency. Then I needed to get something to use as a weapon, just in case I was attacked. I grabbed a pocket knife that my father had given men for that very purpose and put that in my front pocket as well. I didn't want to bring my purse on my arm, in case someone were to grab it, so I stuffed some money in my shoe. Then I thought I should call somebody and talk to them on the phone while I walked, thinking that maybe if someone were thinking about attacking me, they might think twice if I were talking to someone on the phone that could help me. So I called my sister. She didn't think it was weird at all that that was the reason I was calling. I live in a very safe neighbourhood, where people are seldom attacked. And yet here I was doing all this. Millions of women do this every day of their lives as part of their routine, while men just walk out the front door without having to give it a second thought. So it's hard for me to muster up much sympathy for people when they complain that thanks to women sharing their sexual harassment/assault stories more openly now, that in-office flirting is going to be negatively affected.
You really should use more paragraphs....at least until I get new glasses.
(My prescription is old, & the lenses are damaged by solvents.)

Some objections....
- I've seen no claims that "most" accusations are false. But I've disputed the claim
that false accusations are "rare".
- Dismissing Kavanaugh's experience as "blah blah blah" shows no understanding
what it's like to endure such accusations. Tis better to recognize how both parties
to this debacle have suffered lasting woe. It shouldn't be about picking a gender
to side with, or side against....to give sympathy, or to dismiss. We are individuals.

General prescriptions.....
- Treat everyone as an individual, & consider their trials & tribulations with respect.
- Due process & the Blackstone formulation will work unfairness upon accusers,
but we've no better legal standard.
- Both women & men are vulnerable to attack. You & I both have been. (Although
I've fared better.) I don't ask for sympathy, but neither do I expect men's concerns
to be dismissed because we're lower in the pecking order of identity politics.
As we see, unfounded accusations can be devastating.

The confirmation process....
Kavanaugh cannot be blamed for Trump insulting Ford, or for malefactors threatening her.
(Neither can Ford be blamed for threats to Kavanaugh.)
Clearly, both Ford & Kavanaugh have suffered from all this, but I'll take Ford to task
for some irresponsible conduct.

1) She, a recognized expert in psychology, came forth knowing full well that her case
had major problems. Memory, uncorroborated by any records or witnesses, &
incomplete on major details cannot be relied upon to make credible charges.
She would also know that memory (including hers) can greatly change over time.
Despite her expert knowledge of this, she made the accusation. She should've
foreseen that her case would not be made, but great turmoil & damage would ensue.
She exorcised personal demons without regard for others.

2) It's reasonable to believe she would be aware that her letter given to Feinstein
would not remain secret in such a contentious political environment. It would be used
to prevent this much hated (by Democrats) candidate from becoming a USSC justice.
 
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Back when I lived in LA, working for Northrop, I had a gay roommate.
(He wasn't only gay, he was a "red blanket baby", ie, a commie who
was born to commie parents. We were indeed the "odd couple".)
Red blanket baby? That's the first time I've heard that one.

One day I came home to find him socializing with a large guy.
Later, my roomie said that I likely prevented a sexual assault....just
by showing up when I did. Guys do worry too.
I'm glad you showed up.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You really should use more paragraphs....at least until I get new glasses.
(My prescription is old, & the lenses are damaged by solvents.)
Sorry, I know, I was just thinking that.


General prescriptions.....
- Treat everyone as an individual, & consider their trials & tribulations with respect.
- Due process & the Blackstone formulation will work unfairness upon accusers,
but we've no better legal standard.
- Both women & men are vulnerable to attack. You & I both have been. (Although
I've fared better.) I don't ask for sympathy, but neither do I expect men's concerns
to be dismissed because we're lower in the pecking order of identity politics.
As we see, unfounded accusations can be devastating.
Agreed. I don't want to dismiss men's concerns either.

The confirmation process....
Kavanaugh cannot be blamed for Trump insulting Ford, or for malefactors threatening her.
(Neither can Ford be blamed for threats to Kavanaugh.)
Clearly, both Ford & Kavanaugh have suffered from all this, but I'll take Ford to task
for some irresponsible conduct.
Of course not. Trump is responsible for Trump. It was disheartening though, to see so many people laughing and cheering it.

I'm not trying to blame Kavanaugh for the death threats she has received, or vice versa. Neither are responsible for that nonsense.

1) She, a recognized expert in psychology, came forth knowing full well that her case
had major problems. Memory, uncorroborated by any records or witnesses, &
incomplete on major details cannot be relied upon to make credible charges.
She would also know that memory (including hers) can greatly change over time.
Despite her expert knowledge of this, she made the accusation. She should've
foreseen that her case would not be made, but great turmoil & damage would ensue.
She exorcised personal demons without regard for others.

2) It's reasonable to believe she would be aware that her letter given to Feinstein
would not remain secret in such a contentious political environment. It would be used
to prevent this much hated (by Democrats) candidate from becoming a USSC justice.
I don't think Ford was reckless at all. She and her lawyers did have a list of I think it was around 40 people they wanted the FBI to talk to, but that never happened.
She did her best with what she had, but it wasn't good enough. It often isn't.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't think Ford was reckless at all. She and her lawyers did have a list of I think it was around 40 people they wanted the FBI to talk to, but that never happened.
She did her best with what she had, but it wasn't good enough. It often isn't.
I do cut Ford some slack for becoming enmeshed in the wrangling of lawyers.
(This thing took on a life of its own, & she had little control.)
While some can be trusted to look out for one's best interests, I've found that
many more are just out to prolong & complicate things to create billable hours
or serve a political agenda.
Still, one so expert in a relevant field should've known better than to expect
a different result. I don't suspect evil intent, but still....she chose that course.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I do cut Ford some slack for becoming enmeshed in the wrangling of lawyers.
(This thing took on a life of its own, & she had little control.)
While some can be trusted to look out for one's best interests, I've found that
many more are just out to prolong & complicate things to create billable hours
or serve a political agenda.
Still, one so expert in a relevant field should've known better than to expect
a different result. I don't suspect evil intent, but still....she chose that course.
Lol...too diplomatic...u didn't study law as I did:D
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I do cut Ford some slack for becoming enmeshed in the wrangling of lawyers.
(This thing took on a life of its own, & she had little control.)
While some can be trusted to look out for one's best interests, I've found that
many more are just out to prolong & complicate things to create billable hours
or serve a political agenda.
Still, one so expert in a relevant field should've known better than to expect
a different result. I don't suspect evil intent, but still....she chose that course.
Well, she did accurately predict the way she would be treated.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Not in my book, it wasn't. Did you watch her testimony?
The testimony of a person who reports a sexual assault 30 years later?
In the criminal procedure code of my country the so called "testimonial evidence" is classified according to various degrees of reliability.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The testimony of a person who reports a sexual assault 30 years later?
In the criminal procedure code of my country the so called "testimonial evidence" is classified according to various degrees of reliability.
Yes, the testimony of a person who reports a sexual assault 30 years later. Did you watch it?

Are you unaware that many sexual assaults go unreported for years and the unfortunate reasons why people don't report them?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Yes, the testimony of a person who reports a sexual assault 30 years later. Did you watch it?

Are you unaware that many sexual assaults go unreported for years and the unfortunate reasons why people don't report them?
Did the people who witnessed the attempted rape confirm her version?
Kavanaugh's credibility and Ford's credibility nullify one another
 
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