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The parable of the tares: an insight

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angellous_evangellous

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From Plutarch, "How to tell a flatterer from a friend" available at http://www.bostonleadershipbuilders.com/plutarch/moralia/how_to_tell_a_flatterer_from_a_friend.htm

[4] Well, but after all, who is this flatterer then, whom we ought so industriously to avoid?

I answer: He who neither professes nor seems to flatter; who never haunts your kitchen, is never observed to watch the dial that he may nick your supper-time; who won’t drink to excess, but will keep his brains about him; who is prying and inquisitive, would mix in your business, and wind himself into your secrets: in short, he who acts the friend, not with the air of a comedian or a satirist, but with the port and gravity of a tragedian. For, as Plato says, It is the height of injustice to appear just and be really a knave <A href="http://www.bostonleadershipbuilders.com/plutarch/moralia/how_to_tell_a_flatterer_from_a_friend.htm#plato1_note">/1/.

So are we to look upon those flatterers as most dangerous who walk not barefaced but in disguise, who make no sport but mind their business; for these often personate the true and sincere friend so exactly, that it is enough to make him fall under the like suspicion of a cheat, unless we be extremely curious in remarking the difference betwixt them. It is storied of Gobryas (one of the Persian nobility, who joined with Darius against the Magi), that he pursued one of them into a dark room, and there fell upon him; during the scuffle Darius came in and drew upon the enemy, but durst not push at him, lest perhaps he might wound his confederate Gobryas with the thrust; whereupon Gobryas bade him, rather than fail, run both through together <A href="http://www.bostonleadershipbuilders.com/plutarch/moralia/how_to_tell_a_flatterer_from_a_friend.htm#herodotus1_note">/2/. But since we can by no means admit of that vulgar saying, Let my friend perish, so my enemy perish with him, but had rather still endeavor at the discovery of a parasite from a friend, notwithstanding the nearness of the resemblance, we ought to use our utmost care, lest at any time we indifferently reject the good with the bad, or unadvisedly retain the bad with the good, the friend and flatterer together.

For as those wild grains which usually grow up with wheat, and are of the same figure and bigness with it, are not easily winnowed from it, — for they either cannot pass through the holes of the sieve, if narrow, or pass together with the wheat, if larger, — so is it infinitely difficult to distinguish flattery from friendship, because the one so exquisitely mixes with all the passions, humors, interests, and inclinations of the other. <A href="http://www.bostonleadershipbuilders.com/plutarch/moralia/how_to_tell_a_flatterer_from_a_friend.htm#tares_note">/3/

Compare the parable:

Matthew 13:24-30 24 He put another parable before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25 but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. 26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27 And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?' 28 He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?' 29 But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"
 

Halcyon

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It's an interesting thought, but i don't think that was the intention of the parable. I think the parable is warning against the Church trying to root out heretics from their flock, in case they "uproot" true believers along with the heretics.
It's saying let the heretics believe what they want, let God judge them at the harvest.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Halcyon said:
It's an interesting thought, but i don't think that was the intention of the parable. I think the parable is warning against the Church trying to root out heretics from their flock, in case they "uproot" true believers along with the heretics.
It's saying let the heretics believe what they want, let God judge them at the harvest.

The orthodox are "real friends" of God... the heretics are imitators...
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
angellous_evangellous said:
The orthodox are "real friends" of God... the heretics are imitators...
Well, no - you're the heretics obviously :rolleyes: ;).

The thing about parables is, you can read pretty much anything into them that you want. Which is kinda the idea, only the spiritually mature will read the intended message, but others will get a message that may still seem meaningful to them.

I think if Jesus had meant his message to be as simple and straightforward, then that's how he would have spoken. His use of parables suggests mysticism to me.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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The orthodox are "real friends" of God... the heretics are imitators...

This needs some more explanation.

Plutarch wrote How to Tell a Flatterer from a Friend because in the Roman period (the time of the New Testament), the economy was based on a patronage system. That is, a wealthy patron was expected to support a group of common people, clients, who honored and served the patron in various ways to receive money, offices, and various other means of sustinance.

The Romans, however, from top to bottom, did not like the language of patronage (eg., patron and client) because the patrons wanted to seem generous and the clients did not want to seem dependent - although most patrons were greedy and most clients pathetic.

Therefore, the Romans adopted friendship and family language to cover up this relationship with gloss. Patrons are called father, lord, god (in the case of the emperors), and clients are called friends. Clients also called their patrons friends rather than patrons. The exchange of benefits are called gifts or grace. This is where the language of grace and family comes from in the New Testament.

For a more detailed review see:

Harrison, James R., 1952- Paul’s language of grace in its Graeco-Roman context / James R. Harrison. Tübingen : Mohr Siebeck, c2003.
 

may

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Jesus sowed the good teachings, and the devil sowed the counterfiet teachings. but in the end the counterfeit will be shown up for what they are . which makes me think about the religious leaders that on the surface look nice and clean but inside they are full of false teachings. , just as the wheat and the weeds may look similer while growing up , in the harvest it will be clear who are the ones teaching true bible teachings.
 

FFH

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What's there not to understand about the parable of the wheat and the tares.

Wheat - Those who have been redeemed by Christ
Tares - Those who have not

What's the big mystery ???

The only part that takes a little effort to try and understand is the fact that the tares will continue to grow with the wheat...meaning we will have persecutions and experience evil until the time of the end (harvest), when we will be redeemed from this fallen world...
 

FFH

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I love this song and video by Glen Campbell...

Saw this about ten years ago.
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Glen Campbell - Come Harvest Time
 
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