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The Paris attacks

leibowde84

leibowde84

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savagewind said:
The cost and the lack transportation are two reasons that some people do not go out.
They are two reasons I do not go out much.
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Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation. I would agree, except for people in major metropolitan areas, which seems to be where ISIS is targeting.
 
esmith

esmith

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savagewind said:
Busy, well-populated, news worthy places.
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Not necessarily, as we saw in the coverage in the small town of Roseburg, Or. As a matter of fact one might say if they did attack in a small towns shopping mall would this not further the idea that they will strike anywhere they want?
 
savagewind

savagewind

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esmith said:
Not necessarily, as we saw in the coverage in the small town of Roseburg, Or. As a matter of fact one might say if they did attack in a small towns shopping mall would this not further the idea that they will strike anywhere they want?
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Of course. I think that Oregon attack was not politically motivated. Shrugs.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Shusha said:
It is important to differentiate between us seeing this as a war against Islam and them seeing it as a war against infidels. I completely agree that we must not view this as a war against Islam, for the reasons you claim and more. But I think it is foolish for us to fail to understand that for them, in their eyes, it is most assuredly a religious war against unbelievers and apostates and infidels. For them, that is exactly what it is. If we fail to acknowledge that or fail to respond to that driving force, we will make mistakes that will have devastating consequences.
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Who's the "them" here?

We have to remember that, much like us Jews along with the many Christians here, Muslims come in all "shapes and sizes". Yes, the "company line" in Islam is that they will be transcendent, but that's also true within Judaism and Christianity, with some variations of course. But either way, most Muslims, Jews, and Christians do not endorse such transcendency by force, and most just want to live day to day and make enough to support their family.

I had many Muslim students over my 36 years of teaching, and most of them are nice people who just want to get by in life.
 
esmith

esmith

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leibowde84 said:
Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation. I would agree, except for people in major metropolitan areas, which seems to be where ISIS is targeting.
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savagewind said:
Busy, well-populated, news worthy places.
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esmith said:
Not necessarily, as we saw in the coverage in the small town of Roseburg, Or. As a matter of fact one might say if they did attack in a small towns shopping mall would this not further the idea that they will strike anywhere they want?
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savagewind said:
Of course. I think that Oregon attack was not politically motivated. Shrugs.
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Seems that you do not understand what I was saying. ISIS is saying that they will bring the attacks to us anywhere anytime. It doesn't necessarily have to be a big metropolitan target, hence the reference to Roseburg and the media attention it drew. As I stated above, if they do attack a small community this basically shows that they will attack anywhere and no one is safe. Do you now understand. Psychology warfare can and does raises everyone's fear index...."are we next?"
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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esmith said:
Seems that you do not understand what I was saying. ISIS is saying that they will bring the attacks to us anywhere anytime. It doesn't necessarily have to be a big metropolitan target, hence the reference to Roseburg and the media attention it drew. As I stated above, if they do attack a small community this basically shows that they will attack anywhere and no one is safe. Do you now understand. Psychology warfare can and does raises everyone's fear index...."are we next?"
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Yup, I agree with this.
Our best protection against that might (ironically) be the terrorists themselves. Each seems to want to do bigger and more sensational, rather than being part of a single strategic plan. But that's thin protection at best.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Robert.Evans said:
Now the media are talking in England of the government wanting to go fight in Libia. As soon as they do that, they will bomb here as well.
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That's already happened though, I missed one of the London 7/7 tube bombings by 24 hours. It's all horrendously complicated, but where I come out is observing that ISIS represents an odious brand of religious fascism which does nothing but harm, locally and globally.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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esmith said:
Seems that you do not understand what I was saying. ISIS is saying that they will bring the attacks to us anywhere anytime. It doesn't necessarily have to be a big metropolitan target, hence the reference to Roseburg and the media attention it drew. As I stated above, if they do attack a small community this basically shows that they will attack anywhere and no one is safe. Do you now understand. Psychology warfare can and does raises everyone's fear index...."are we next?"
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I am not afraid of them.
 
esmith

esmith

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savagewind said:
I am not afraid of them.
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Why do you say you are not afraid of them? Do you feel that an ISIS influenced attack will not happen in your local. Or is it you do not leave your place of residence? Actually you should not "fear" them but one should always be aware of their surroundings and have situational awareness, just as you do when you are driving your vehicle, walking along a street or any other place that puts you in possible physical harm. Being not afraid and not having situational awareness are basically one in the same and could lead to physical harm.
 
esmith

esmith

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Demonslayer said:
There is?
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Yes there is a difference in afraid and fear.
I could be afraid that what I may or may not do could adversely affect someone, but I do not fear doing it.
I could be afraid that I will not perform to my utmost ability in doing a certain task but I do not fear doing it.
I may be able to conquer my fear but I will always be afraid of what cause the fear. Being afraid is what makes one "cautious", not conquering your fear in certain situations can cost you your life; fear makes one act in an irrational manner. I remember being in a damage control simulation where we were trying to shore up a bulkhead to keep the water from flooding the compartment. The scenario called for us to lose the battle and the compartment was taking on water, there was only one way out and that was through a scuttle that led to the compartment above us, which was flooded. Were we afraid? Yes, but we conquered our fear and escaped through the scuttle while water was pouring down upon us. So, through training we learned to be afraid of damage but to conquer our fear and accomplish the task at hand.
 
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