The People’s Guide to Project 2025

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I wonder to what extent I can trust a source that is livid with loathing of the agenda. But independently, I loathe it too.

I think you answered your own question there. Do you trust yourself? Why shouldn't they loathe it like you do? Why shouldn't they express that loathing? To seem impartial? There's no evidence that they loathed it before seeing it or didn't evaluate it impartially.

Mr. Trump in a public statement said, “I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it,” he said. “I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.” ... The simple truth is Mr. Trump has publicly disavowed Project 2025. Which implies that if he ever implemented it he would be called on it.

I'm with the majority on this thread: Trump is a liar, and regarding being called on it, he doesn't care how he appears to others. He doesn't mind lying and then doing what he pleases. He never provided his taxes, for example.

 

[Heyo]

So you concede that he has at least partially disavowed it.

Technically, yes, but pragmatically, no. As he didn't specify which parts, the disownment is worthless. Especially when we assume that his first sentence is true.

Since he claims he doesn't know it, then he could hardly disavow all of it if it contains a mix of both good and bad. What would you require to satisfy that he has completely disavowed it then? And is that necessary? Is 100% of Project 2025 evil?

Since he claims he doesn't know but also claims that he knows some of it is abysmal, which is a contradiction, we can leave the textual analyses at that point. The only question that remains is why he felt he had to comment at all.
I think that he felt the rejection and didn't want to impact it on his campaign.
And I think that the authors learned that they had revealed too much too soon.

 

[F1fan]

The simple truth is Mr. Trump has publicly disavowed Project 2025.

Trump is a chronic liar who says whatever he thinks is the most beneficial answer in the moment He can say something completely different the next day and no one is phased. It’s Trump. He’s a known liar. He will lie about lying and no one can get a straight answer. Lying is his one skill.

Which implies that if he ever implemented it he would be called on it.

He’s evasive when he’s called out and will simply lie. When he’s asked about the 2020 election he still claims fraud and that he won. No, he lost. He’s either a total idiot or knows he lost and lies. Or both.

You're just mad because you have lost a wedge issue you wanted to use against him.

He knows about Project 2025 as much as he knows he lost in 2020. But he’s a liar and everyone knows he’s a liar and we aren’t surprised.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think you answered your own question there. Do you trust yourself?

I do.
But I'm skeptical of sources that are highly
partisan....even when I'm on the same side.
I avoid echo chamber effect.

I'm with the majority on this thread: Trump is a liar, and regarding being called on it, he doesn't care how he appears to others. He doesn't mind lying and then doing what he pleases. He never provided his taxes, for example.

No argument about Trump being dishonest.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You don't even know who the Heritage Foundation is. Republican Corporate overlords controlling the party. "The Establishment" (Deep State)

Heritage Foundation - SourceWatch

www.sourcewatch.org

That's pretty much true both ways to Sunday.
Left wing elites are no better.

 

[LuisDantas]

Thank you for confirming that you motivation was just about losing your wedge issue against Trump.

I did no such thing. But you are beyond arguing. I don't really care.

 

[LuisDantas]

That's pretty much true both ways to Sunday.
Left wing elites are no better.

Actually, they are. Worlds better.

But if you have any argument to the contrary, come, share it with us.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Actually, they are. Worlds better.

But if you have any argument to the contrary, come, share it with us.

Name one.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Mr. Trump in a public statement said,
“I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it,” he said. “I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.”

Has it occurred to you that if he truly knows "nothing about Project 2025," how could he disagree with any of it, or call any of it ridiculous and abysmal? It is always false to say "I know nothing about X" and "here are the things I disagree with about X."

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I'm skeptical of sources that are highly partisan....even when I'm on the same side.

There's a very partisan site that I read daily and occasionally link to here - The Palmer Report, headed by Bill Palmer and assorted other writers. When I say highly partisan, I mean that he uses phrases like "our side." But I've found it very informative over the years. When they claim something is a fact, whenever I've checked, it always has been, such as so-and-so said or did the following. It's been a valuable resource to me. Lately, they've written several articles on the failure of the media, especially with pounding Biden while giving Trump as pass, and they're correct. A flagrant example was the NY Times call for Biden to step down after his debate performance, but no such recommendation to Trump to do the same after his felony convictions. To my knowledge, nobody else is writing about this.

These are recent examples:

So much for THAT fake Biden story
Dirty little secret about Biden-Trump poll numbers
Contrarian hot take insanity

I don't post this to endorse the site, although I do, but rather as an example of a very partisan but trusted and insightful source and why it doesn't matter to me that they are partisan if they are also honest and reliable. I'm able to draw my own conclusions from the facts. I don't believe Palmer et al.'s opinions because they hold them. I agree when I see that they are correct. You can do that, too.

Incidentally, this was their take on the OP topic. Nothing new there if you've followed this thread, but this is where I learned that after Trump said he knew nothing about the topic, he went on to demonstrate that he was lying. @Heyo posted the same above, the second time I read that in a few hours. And yes, this is extremely partisan, but so what? They don't print alleged facts that turn out to be false or massaged:

Project 2025 blows up in Donald Trump’s face

 

[LuisDantas]

Name one.

I can't believe. You are asking for strawmen?

That is not how it works. Or even how it falls flat.

 

[Spice]

Here's a brief layout of Project 2025:

 

[Shaul]

Technically, yes, but pragmatically, no. As he didn't specify which parts, the disownment is worthless. Especially when we assume that his first sentence is true.

Since he claims he doesn't know but also claims that he knows some of it is abysmal, which is a contradiction, we can leave the textual analyses at that point. The only question that remains is why he felt he had to comment at all.
I think that he felt the rejection and didn't want to impact it on his campaign.
And I think that the authors learned that they had revealed too much too soon.

I disagree that there is a contradiction. Mr. Trump may have been informed of some of the aspects of Project 2025 at still not be informed to the level of being able to say he knows Project 2025. Presumably he addressed Project 2025 because his adversaries are attempting to make some sort of attack on him through associating him with it. Which is sad and pathetic.

 

[Shaul]

Trump is a chronic liar who says whatever he thinks is the most beneficial answer in the moment He can say something completely different the next day and no one is phased. It’s Trump. He’s a known liar. He will lie about lying and no one can get a straight answer. Lying is his one skill.


He’s evasive when he’s called out and will simply lie. When he’s asked about the 2020 election he still claims fraud and that he won. No, he lost. He’s either a total idiot or knows he lost and lies. Or both.


He knows about Project 2025 as much as he knows he lost in 2020. But he’s a liar and everyone knows he’s a liar and we aren’t surprised.

Basically you have formed a biased, unshakable opinion of Mr. Trump being a "liar" and nothing he or anyone else could say would persuade you otherwise regardless of any facts. Kismet.

 

[Shaul]

I did no such thing. But you are beyond arguing. I don't really care.

I already knew you didn't care. You have an opinion and you could care less about anything that could change that.

 

[LuisDantas]

I already knew you didn't care. You have an opinion and you could care less about anything that could change that.

Actually... I guess that is true, due to the quality of the "things that could change that".

Or lack thereof, as it happens.

 

[Heyo]

Presumably he addressed Project 2025 because his adversaries are attempting to make some sort of attack on him through associating him with it. Which is sad and pathetic.

Is Trump associated with the GOP? Is Project 2025 associated with the GOP? Does transitionality apply?

 

[mangalavara]

Here's a brief layout of Project 2025:View attachment 93957

Basically, turn America into a Pakistan with Christian garb.

 

[Shaul]

Is Trump associated with the GOP? Is Project 2025 associated with the GOP? Does transitionality apply?

Project 2025 is a creation of the Heritage Foundation, they are not the GOP. They are a separate conservative think tank. They do not speak for the GOP nor Trump.

 

[Valjean]

Yep. So crooked those gawd awful Heritage Foundation people. So now what's the other sides adgenda for prosperity and happiness for all?

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