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The People’s Guide to Project 2025

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
There is no bias in observing Trump lie.
Of course there could be.

The members include 16 former Trump administration officials. They are well connected. And if Trump is oblivious to what they intend to implement if he’s elected then he is not taking the job seriously.
The members include many people, some Republicans and some not. That proves nothing.
 
Here's a brief layout of Project 2025:View attachment 93957
Just by way of caution, I did keyword searches on a couple of the items listed above and wasn't able to find them in the Mandate.

For example, I didn't find anything talking about banning Muslims from entering the country, nor about mass deportation of immigrants.

Also, while incarceration in camps is mentioned, it's not in the sense implied by the above list. Rather, it speaks about inhumane camps imposed upon persecuted citizens in Burma, northern Iraq, and proposing the integration of displaced people rather than the current practice of keeping them in dehumanizing camps financed by the international community.

That's not to say that Project 2025 isn't a scary document that is best not implemented (too much church mixed with state for my comfort), but I would advise maybe keeping the PDF of the Mandate on hand, so that claims of what the Project says can be more closely examined via a keyword-search.



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Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Just by way of caution, I did keyword searches on a couple of the items listed above and wasn't able to find them in the Mandate.

For example, I didn't find anything talking about banning Muslims from entering the country, nor about mass deportation of immigrants.

Also, while incarceration in camps is mentioned, it's not in the sense implied by the above list. Rather, it speaks about inhumane camps imposed upon persecuted citizens in Burma, northern Iraq, and proposing the integration of displaced people rather than the current practice of keeping them in dehumanizing camps financed by the international community.

That's not to say that Project 2025 isn't a scary document that is best not implemented (too much church mixed with state for my comfort), but I would advise maybe keeping the PDF of the Mandate on hand, so that claims of what the Project says can be more closely examined via a keyword-search.



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Thanks for running a check. I thought about after the fact but don't have a PC and don't know how to do word finds on my phone.
Project 2025 has been around for quite some time, so I'm not surprised there would be variations. I haven't thoroughly read the published manifesto, but I do remember the Muslim ban was a significant part of the early talk by the supporters on social media.
Thanks again for running a check.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You mean they just talked about it.

If they actually supported it , we wouldn't be having these conversations on these topics today.
What are you talking about? Who do you think proposed and wrote the legislation? These reforms were roundly opposed by the Right.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
@Shaul said:
"Project 2025 is a creation of the Heritage Foundation, they are not the GOP. They are a separate conservative think tank. They do not speak for the GOP nor Trump."

From AP: Who is the new RNC?
Michael Whatley, a North Carolina Republican who has echoed Trump's false theories of voter fraud, was elected the party's new national chairman in a vote Friday morning in Houston. Lara Trump, the former president's daughter-in-law, was voted in as co-chair.
Mar 8, 2024

EDIT: Trump has "a hand" in everything around him. Remember, Navarro and Dr. Carson are two distinct names ON the Project 2025 document.
From the mighty Wiki:
"The Heritage Foundation was founded on February 16, 1973, during the Nixon administration by Paul Weyrich, Edwin Feulner, and Joseph Coors.[10][11][12] Growing out of the new business activist movement inspired by the Powell Memorandum,[13][14] discontent with Richard Nixon's embrace of the liberal consensus, and the nonpolemical, cautious nature of existing think tanks,[15] Weyrich and Feulner sought to create a conservative version of the Brookings Institution that advanced conservative policies"

The Heritage foundation was radically conservative from the outset. Its whole purpose was to further the goals of Powell Manifesto.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
There are citations to pages in the Project 2025 manual. For your conveniences, here is a pdf to the Project 2025 manifesto.

I just read the 47 page chapter on the Dept of Health and Human Services. It starts out saying "abortion is not healthcare." Most of the the 47 pages is dedicated to abortion, a couple of pages to anti-trans, and a bit mentioning cutting head start and SNAP programs.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
And is the results of the Neoliberal policies initiated by Reagan, not the results of liberalism.
Do some reading, O benighted one. Jane Mayer, Thom Hartmann, Thomas Frank.

Those businesses were doing absolutely fine well after your attempt to blame Pres. Reagan instead BS.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
from page 4 of the Mandate for Leadership document:
The next conservative President must make the institutions of American civil society hard targets for woke culture warriors. This starts with deleting the terms sexual orientation and gender identity (“SOGI”), diversity, equity, and inclusion — 5 — Foreword (“DEI”), gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.

Yet it goes on to use the term abort or abortion more than 200 times in their document.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
your biased opinion.
All opinions are biased, but some are biased by facts and others are not. A rational bias is a good thing. It's what our brains do when working well. We have experience and form opinions (bias). Some of my rational biases are against pedophilia and drunk driving. I object to both. And I object to Trump on the same basis. Your bias is to defend him, but that is an irrational bias and a failure of that process. You should be biased against Trump based on the monstrous things he's done (assuming that you have a social conscience), but instead, you're biased for him.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
from page 4 of the Mandate for Leadership document:
The next conservative President must make the institutions of American civil society hard targets for woke culture warriors. This starts with deleting the terms sexual orientation and gender identity (“SOGI”), diversity, equity, and inclusion — 5 — Foreword (“DEI”), gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.
Like it or not, this is basically saying, "the nation needs to go back to hating and marginalizing everybody who doesn't fit a very narrow norm." That is a very christian-nationalist-right-wing-conservative notion.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
All opinions are biased, but some are biased by facts and others are not. A rational bias is a good thing. It's what our brains do when working well. We have experience and form opinions (bias). Some of my rational biases are against pedophilia and drunk driving. I object to both. And I object to Trump on the same basis. Your bias is to defend him, but that is an irrational bias and a failure of that process. You should be biased against Trump based on the monstrous things he's done (assuming that you have a social conscience), but instead, you're biased for him.
Do you really just make some lumping together of pedophilia, drunk driving and Donald Trump? The level of your bias against Trump is beyond the pale and shows you are not serious. No, I am not biased for Trump. You will insist that isn't so, but it truly is.
 
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