The People’s Guide to Project 2025

[SkepticThinker]

Ok, I support a convicted felon, that was convicted of falsifying business records to cover up an NDE with a porn star. I am ok with that. We all know he would have never been charged if his name was not Trump.

What was Trump convicted of? Details on the 34 counts and his guilty verdict

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I do not agree that there was sufficient evidence to support the civil sexual abuse case, I do not agree he tried to overturn the 2020 election.

You're okay with that.
That just about says it all.

And you conveniently just deny the verdict in the sexual asasult case. Based on ... "insufficient evidence." Well, it was sufficient enough for judge and jury. You just don't like the verdict, apparently. Doesn't sound very rational to me.
He came up with a fake elector scheme. He fomented the lie that the election was stolen from him. He fomented an insurrection. He did nothing as the insurrection took place. But you think people who criticize and dislike him for that are irrational. Does that really sound like the irrational position here? Really?


Thanks for your honesty. We can all see who the irrational ones are here.

 

[fantome profane]

We all know he would have never been charged if his name was not Trump.

Really?

Did you know that Donald Trump's grandfather changed the family name from "Drumpf" to "Trump".

Do you really believe that if Trump's grandfather had not done that and if Donald's last name was Drumpf he would not have been charged falsifying records to conceal payments he made to a pornstar to benefit his Presidential campaign?

No, of course that is not what you mean. I am being unfair. What you mean is that if Donald Trump did not run for President he would not have been charged with falsifying records to conceal payments he made to a pornstar to benefit his Presidential campaign. Which is strictly speaking true. But still a pointless observation. If you are not financing a political campaign you will not be charged with violation campaign finance law.

 

[F1fan]

You're okay with that.
That just about says it all.

And you conveniently just deny the verdict in the sexual asasult case. Based on ... "insufficient evidence." Well, it was sufficient enough for judge and jury. You just don't like the verdict, apparently. Doesn't sound very rational to me.
He came up with a fake elector scheme. He fomented the lie that the election was stolen from him. He fomented an insurrection. He did nothing as the insurrection took place. But you think people who criticize and dislike him for that are irrational. Does that really sound like the irrational position here? Really?


Thanks for your honesty. We can all see who the irrational ones are here.

I can’t think of a candidate who’s done more to disqualify himself for being president than Trump. What are MAGA voters thinking?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Since you are a Trump supporter have you considered that you might feel the sting of criticism and need to blinding reject it? Let's see what other critics of MAGA say, and compare it to the defensiveness of MAGAs themselves. A rational mind is looking for rebuttals of critique, and thus far you haven't offered any, just kneejerk reactions. So no problem on my part.

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

Funny you go right to a strawman, and don't rebut any of the actual critique of Trump and MAGAs. That is a problem you have here.

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

Correct, you aren't being rational. The dilemma for irrational thinkers is that they aren't assessing themselves.

And here you have gone from an extreme strawman to an olive leaf. as if to escape this discourse. Still no defense of Trump, or his agenda, or his criminal behavior, or his lies, and nothing about how Biden is inferior as a leader of the administration.

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

Our NATO allies are worried about Trump if elected. Many in law and politics are worried about Trump abusing the immunity that the SCOTUS has ruled on. And the only thing that can prevent national security, social unrest, and global instability is voters understanding the threat Trump's poor mental processing is. You illustrate how conservative voters are not looking at the evidence of Trump being a threat to the future. What's the worst of Biden having more decline in the next 4 years? Harris continuing the Biden agenda. Of course this isn't bad in any way when the alternative is Trump chaos and disintegration of norms.

Trump was president for 4 years, What is he going to do different? What are you afraid of?

 

[fantome profane]

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

But never managed to do so effectively or reasonably.

Trump was president for 4 years, What is he going to do different? What are you afraid of?

The People’s Guide to Project 2025

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[Clizby Wampuscat]

You're okay with that.
That just about says it all.

What does it say?

And you conveniently just deny the verdict in the sexual asasult case. Based on ... "insufficient evidence." Well, it was sufficient enough for judge and jury. You just don't like the verdict, apparently. Doesn't sound very rational to me.

So you agree with every jury decision you ever heard? I have discussed this on this forum back when the verdict was announced.

He came up with a fake elector scheme. He fomented the lie that the election was stolen from him. He fomented an insurrection. He did nothing as the insurrection took place. But you think people who criticize and dislike him for that are irrational. Does that really sound like the irrational position here? Really?

I have discussed this in detail many times.

Thanks for your honesty. We can all see who the irrational ones are here.

OK, but don't act like you are not condoning lying and cover up from the current administration such as Biden's health for example, or blaming his debate performance on Trump or a cold etc. KJP lies to us everyday.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

But never managed to do so effectively or reasonably.

Fine, but I was accused of not defending my positions. I have many times.

 

[F1fan]

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

You replied but offered no valid rebuttal to assertions of Trump’s criminal conduct nor his unfitness for office. Remember he got fired for his poor job performance in 2020. What has changed in the man? Better competency? No.

Trump was president for 4 years, What is he going to do different? What are you afraid of?

He now has immunity in the final years of his life which we can expect he will abuse just has he has all throughout his adult life. He’s corrupt and a criminal. What more does anyone need to know about him and not worry about what he will do. Plus he is emotionally unstable and we can’t predict what his feeble mind will do.

He slso learned not to hire ethical people like he did in 2016. Many of his cabinet officials have revealed that he wanted to do illegal things but they refused. He is now assembling loyalists to him, who will serve him, not follow laws or the constitution.

Biden has given us and the world a stable government and we are doing very well. The election is being decided by overly emotional people who may end up regretting their votes for Trump if he wins. Many regret their prior votes, but swing voters are weird and who knows what they are thinking.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

I have rebutted time and time again the left's claims about Trump on this site.

Trump was president for 4 years, What is he going to do different? What are you afraid of?

And time and time again you have ignored the facts, ignored what Trump himself has done in front of all our eyes, ignored what he has said for all to hear, ignored the findings of grand juries, and of juries in courts of law who heard and judged on the evidence presented while he had teams of lawyers to defend him.

While in office, he misled the public about a pandemic, resulting in many more lives lost than should have been, pushed invalid, non-scientific "cures" including ivermectin, cloraquine and bleach, he tried to bribe a foreign official (Zelensky) for which he was impeached (though dishonest Republican Senators refused to convict), he gave huge tax cuts to the rich, permanent tax cuts to corporations and smaller, temporary tax cuts to "lower classes," costing trillions in debt (something I though Republicans were supposed to be against). Oh, and is promising to do more of the same, and add more debt (although he doesn't say that, it is as inevitable as addition and subtraction).

And after 4 years, he tried everything he and a bunch of crooked lawyers and henchmen could think of to stay in office despite the will of the electorate -- and I don't think he will do anything different next time, only this time he'll have hordes of compliant cronies in positions of power to help him. Not to mention immunity granted by his stacked Supreme Court. That, in itself, is quite enough to be afraid of. And you should be, if you were really looking at it with clear eyes.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

So you agree with every jury decision you ever heard? I have discussed this on this forum back when the verdict was announced.

If you believe in law and order, under the auspices of a justice system, whether you agree with a jury decision or not, the decision is the jury's, not yours. That's part of the deal. It can be appealed, there are lots of remedies when a jury decision is suspect -- but ignoring the decision is not one of them. If you like law and order.

 

[Heyo]

What are MAGA voters thinking?

They aren't.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What does it say?

I think you can figure it out from what I said in the rest of my post about rationality.

So you agree with every jury decision you ever heard? I have discussed this on this forum back when the verdict was announced.

Nope, I don't. But I do recognize and accept a jury's decision as a legally binding one.

I have discussed this in detail many times.

OK, but don't act like you are not condoning lying and cover up from the current administration such as Biden's health for example, or blaming his debate performance on Trump or a cold etc. KJP lies to us everyday.

Sorry, when and where have I done that?
I think Biden's debate performance was abysmal and he should step down and let someone else be the Democratic candidate. But, Biden is still light years better than Trump, imo. He's not a convicted felon, fraud or a sexual assaulter, for starters.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

But never managed to do so effectively or reasonably.

Fine, but I was accused of not defending my positions. I have many times.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

He now has immunity in the final years of his life which we can expect he will abuse just has he has all throughout his adult life. He’s corrupt and a criminal. What more does anyone need to know about him and not worry about what he will do. Plus he is emotionally unstable and we can’t predict what his feeble mind will do.

He slso learned not to hire ethical people like he did in 2016. Many of his cabinet officials have revealed that he wanted to do illegal things but they refused. He is now assembling loyalists to him, who will serve him, not follow laws or the constitution.

Biden has given us and the world a stable government and we are doing very well. The election is being decided by overly emotional people who may end up regretting their votes for Trump if he wins. Many regret their prior votes, but swing voters are weird and who knows what they are thinking.

So if Trump wins and does not do any of this will you admit you were wrong?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

And time and time again you have ignored the facts, ignored what Trump himself has done in front of all our eyes, ignored what he has said for all to hear, ignored the findings of grand juries, and of juries in courts of law who heard and judged on the evidence presented while he had teams of lawyers to defend him.

No, I did not. You did not like my answers which is ok. That is part of a discussion.

While in office, he misled the public about a pandemic,

No Fauci did, he did it under Biden as well.

resulting in many more lives lost than should have been, pushed invalid, non-scientific "cures" including ivermectin, cloraquine and bleach

Nope, please read what he said about these things.

, he tried to bribe a foreign official (Zelensky) for which he was impeached (though dishonest Republican Senators refused to convict)

So when a court or impeachment goes your way itrs iron cled correct when it does not it flawed in some way. Yest when I have issues with Trumps cases I am biased and duped. Ok

, he gave huge tax cuts to the rich, permanent tax cuts to corporations and smaller, temporary tax cuts to "lower classes," costing trillions in debt (something I though Republicans were supposed to be against). Oh, and is promising to do more of the same, and add more debt (although he doesn't say that, it is as inevitable as addition and subtraction).

Ok, we if you want to talk about this issue start another thread. We can talk about tax cuts.

And after 4 years, he tried everything he and a bunch of crooked lawyers and henchmen could think of to stay in office despite the will of the electorate -- and I don't think he will do anything different next time, only this time he'll have hordes of compliant cronies in positions of power to help him. Not to mention immunity granted by his stacked Supreme Court. That, in itself, is quite enough to be afraid of. And you should be, if you were really looking at it with clear eyes.

How is the court "stacked"? You just disagree with some of the opinions. The justices were properly selected and confirmed.

 

[F1fan]

So if Trump wins and does not do any of this will you admit you were wrong?

Sure, if Trump builds an administration of experts and competent public servants and doesn’t act like himself. But he didn’t in his first term. Why think he would suddenly become whst he isn’t?

We should expect him to be as bad as he’s promising to be, and that is revenge and retribution against others. And he intends to dismantle much of the system, firing public servants who don’t commit loyalty to him, and replacing them with devotees. That’s dangerous and begging for a massive government collapse.

Trump is disturbed and can’t be trusted. There is no reason to feel comfortable if he gets elected. I’m a white male who will have his affairs in order, so whatever happens I won’t directly suffer the fallout. I worry about international instability and domestic strife if Trump gets elected, and that’s going to affect life in general.

It makes me sick to think a guy like Trump would be presIdent as the USA celebrates its 250 birthday. Citizens need to think about whether they want an anti-democratic criminal president for that celebration instead of a decent man.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Sure, if Trump builds an administration of experts and competent public servants and doesn’t act like himself. But he didn’t in his first term. Why think he would suddenly become whst he isn’t?

We should expect him to be as bad as he’s promising to be, and that is revenge and retribution against others. And he intends to dismantle much of the system, firing public servants who don’t commit loyalty to him, and replacing them with devotees. That’s dangerous and begging for a massive government collapse.

Trump is disturbed and can’t be trusted. There is no reason to feel comfortable if he gets elected. I’m a white male who will have his affairs in order, so whatever happens I won’t directly suffer the fallout. I worry about international instability and domestic strife if Trump gets elected, and that’s going to affect life in general.

It makes me sick to think a guy like Trump would be presIdent as the USA celebrates its 250 birthday. Citizens need to think about whether they want an anti-democratic criminal president for that celebration instead of a decent man.

Ok, thanks for another rant. Have a great evening.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Trump disagrees with some of it. Trump put out his own agenda.

I know nothing about Project 2025, I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.” Trump.

Exactly I read that too that Trump said he knows nothing about project 2025 and yes indeed he has his own agenda according to True social.

For Trump it's called, "Agenda 47".

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[Twilight Hue]

Ok, thanks for another rant. Have a great evening.

I find things like that to be quite entertaining.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Trump disagrees with some of it. Trump put out his own agenda.

I know nothing about Project 2025, I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.” Trump.

Yeah I don't agree with everything it says either , and I do know that if such things were officially and formally proposed, it would still have to pass constitutional muster.

So I'm not too worried about anything damaging the country in a serious way as any type of real overhaul would require a constitutional convention. Then I might be a little worried if I think anything would steer the country in a detrimental way.