The People's Republic of New York once again tells businesses what they can and cannot do.

[Nakosis]

The attack now is on privately owned hotels who distribute small shampoo and other toiletry items by telling them by mandate they can no longer stock it for their customers by supreme dictate of great powerful chairwoman Kathy Hochul , Supreme Democrat of the People's Party of New York.

New York bans small shampoo, body lotion bottles from hotels

Those mini toiletries could soon be a thing of the past...

www.executivetraveller.com

That is all. Now stand and respect the great empire state.

Not a bad idea but I wouldn't ban it. I'd give them a property tax break for coming up with a more environmentally friendly way of going about it.
No reason to get tyrannical about the environment. Better to work with business than against it.

 

[RestlessSoul]

This is being imposed on the entire People's Republic of New York, not some town, and governments only tell businesses that they can and cannot do things like this in places like Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, Nazi Germany, Red China, and the USSR.

Actually, no. Pretty much everywhere in the world, with the exception of America, citizens recognise that government has a role to play in regulating business.

 

[RestlessSoul]

How many governments tell businesses what they can and cannot do with perfectly legal products? Last I heard, plastic bottles are not illegal to possess and distribute.

Overproduction of plastic is proven to be incredibly harmful to all living things. Since businesses and individuals clearly cannot be relied upon to eliminate waste voluntarily, they have to be coerced into doing so.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Overproduction of plastic is proven to be incredibly harmful to all living things. Since businesses and individuals clearly cannot be relied upon to eliminate waste voluntarily, they have to be coerced into doing so.

This is the thing that @Twilight Hue really doesn't get. He has this notion of "freedom" as meaning one gets to do anything one wants, for any reason at all. Perhaps excepting intentionally harming others.

But if harm is only accidental and unintentional, then freedom's the way, according to him. If you feel like throwing sharp machetes around in the public street, as long as you're not deliberately aiming at someone, well why not? If someone is stupid enough to be standing where one of your innocent machetes happens to be, well, that's his fault, not yours.

 

[Pogo]

If you do your research correctly you'll find most of the plastics come from Asia particularly from several rivers.

I'm sure you and I both know that the problem isn't the hotel owners.

This is the same logic that says we should not have banned PCBs and stopped GE from dumping them in the Hudson. Not my problem and Not in my back yard. Sorry, NY is a nice place to live exactly because of that which you deride with so little rationality.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is the same logic that says we should not have banned PCBs and stopped GE from dumping them in the Hudson. Not my problem and Not in my back yard. Sorry, NY is a nice place to live exactly because of that which you deride with so little rationality.

That's because I'm not sympathetic to authoritarianism as some people are.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is the thing that @Twilight Hue really doesn't get. He has this notion of "freedom" as meaning one gets to do anything one wants, for any reason at all. Perhaps excepting intentionally harming others.

But if harm is only accidental and unintentional, then freedom's the way, according to him. If you feel like throwing sharp machetes around in the public street, as long as you're not deliberately aiming at someone, well why not? If someone is stupid enough to be standing where one of your innocent machetes happens to be, well, that's his fault, not yours.

I love your unrealistic scenarios. They are so creative!

 

[Soandso]

This is the thing that @Twilight Hue really doesn't get. He has this notion of "freedom" as meaning one gets to do anything one wants, for any reason at all. Perhaps excepting intentionally harming others.

But if harm is only accidental and unintentional, then freedom's the way, according to him. If you feel like throwing sharp machetes around in the public street, as long as you're not deliberately aiming at someone, well why not? If someone is stupid enough to be standing where one of your innocent machetes happens to be, well, that's his fault, not yours.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's because I'm not sympathetic to authoritarianism as some people are.

You prefer this instead?

The Cuyahoga River Caught Fire at Least a Dozen Times, but No One Cared Until 1969

Despite being much smaller than previous fires, the river blaze in Cleveland 50 years ago became a symbol for the nascent environmental movement

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[Twilight Hue]

You prefer this instead?

The Cuyahoga River Caught Fire at Least a Dozen Times, but No One Cared Until 1969

Despite being much smaller than previous fires, the river blaze in Cleveland 50 years ago became a symbol for the nascent environmental movement

www.smithsonianmag.com

What does that remotely have to do with plastic bottles?

 

[Valjean]

Who died from a plastic bottle?

The biosphere that supports us.
You really are blind to long-term and multi-step consequences.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The biosphere that supports us.
You really are blind to long-term and multi-step consequences.

Oh I'm sure there's an extensive body count already as we speak to aggressively push forward that noble agenda with the up most urgency and expediency.

 

[Valjean]

Marine life. And we eat marine life -- it sustains much of the world.

Marine phytoplankton generate much of the oxygen we depend on, and is part of the base of the whole food chain that supports both marine and terrestrial life. Altering the marine ecosystem has long-term effects Twilight seems unaware of.

That's a problem with conservatives -- short-sightedness; inability to see any but direct, immediate consequences.

 

[Valjean]

What does that remotely have to do with plastic bottles?

 

[Valjean]

As long as it dosent interfere with essential liberties have at it.

Wouldn't our extinction interfere with essential liberties?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Marine phytoplankton generate much of the oxygen we depend on, and is part of the base of the whole food chain that supports both marine and terrestrial life. Altering the marine ecosystem has long-term effects Twilight seems unaware of.

That's a problem with conservatives -- short-sightedness; inability to see any but direct, immediate consequences.

Actually I think I heard something on George Noory Coast to Coast about that.

 

[Valjean]

So human use of plastics allows for them to end up polluting our oceans and our bodies. Without realizing it, you're confirming that here.
But it's not us here in North America, it's foreign people somewhere else that are the problem. Our use of plastics somehow isn't causing any problems. Just "plastics coming from Asia." Our plastic somehow doesn't end up in the oceans unless somebody physically walks to the shore line and chucks it in.

And this makes sense to you somehow?

It's the mass production and use of plastics that are clogging up our environment and bodies that is the problem.

Our plastics do end up in Africa and Asia. We ship our waste there. We market our products there.

 

[Valjean]

That's because I'm not sympathetic to authoritarianism as some people are.

Yet you support Authoritarian politics, like the Republicans, and oppose liberals, ie: advocates of liberty?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yet you support Authoritarian politics, like the Republicans, and oppose liberals, ie: advocates of liberty?

Nope. All it takes is to look at what party rules the most oppressive and least free states in the entire nation.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What does that remotely have to do with plastic bottles?

It has to do with environmental regulations which you view as "authoritarian."

So you have no problem with plastics in the water and our bodies. You think a hotel has a right to just keep giving out plastic bottles, regardless of the environmental impact, because .... freedom! Regulations are so terrible, right? Just curious how you feel about rivers being so polluted due to lack of regulation, that they catch on fire. This the the kind of stuff that happens when there are no regulations and people and corporations are allowed to just pollute as they please. How's that freedom for ya?