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The Popular vote should be worth the state of Florida
- Thread starter Spiderman
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Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
The US was founded as a republic. The states actually vote for president, not the people that make up the popular vote. The people are represented by their states after they cast a vote, and the electors are "supposed" to vote how the people from their state voted.
That is why someone can carry states like CA and NY but lose the electoral vote.
That is why someone can carry states like CA and NY but lose the electoral vote.
Your idea sucks the big one.
(Pardon me French.)
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Then go back in time and let Jefferson and Co. know how you feel.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
The popular vote should be the ONLY deal. The electoral college is almost as useless as @Revoltingest!
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
Either we start awarding electors in a proportional manner, or we should scrap it altogether an have a pure popular vote.
Try telling him that he lacks the power to implement what he wants.
A Republican Congress with a Republican president has some real power.
And Hillary did have only about 1/4 of eligible voters' votes.
So we didn't want her either.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Make no doubt about it... the Republican congress has all the power in this relationship. They see Trump as nothing but a lucky dufus.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
Can you be absolutely honest, and tell me that you'd be saying this if the tables were turned?
If Hillary won the election but Trump won the popular vote, and your plan changed the rules to hand Trump the election?
Legal power and a mandate from the people are different things. Ask any king.
So how does this "mandate" thingie work?
If the losers don't admit he has one, then is he restricted in some way?
Might as well accuse him of having no "mojo".
Not legally. Perhaps morally, but I don't expect him to limit himself by that.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Yes, I'd prefer popular vote wins the election
That's absurd.
Let's say a typical politician runs for office to do what he (or she) believes is right.
If you say he has no "mandate", this doesn't mean he's morally required to no
longer pursue what he believes is right. He either succeeds or he doesn't.
A bunch'o crestfallen tantrum throwing losers won't stand in his way.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
Good point, 'neither' won the popular vote!
But this election seems like a case in point for the rationale of the electoral college. It did end up favoring the candidate who got off his butt and traveled the nation, making his case to a wide variety of constituents.- not just concentrated urban ones.
A possible problem with urban voters....
They tend to be more of the hive mentality.
This points out the advantage of a system which is based upon being a republic.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
-Yes, and that's an attractive mentality for politicians in general.
This is part of the rationale for 'green belts'. creating a hive is one way to promote that hive mentality. It's been very effective in parts of Europe