Tamino
Active Member
Nope , and I'm sure no one ever named the concept and created a Wikipedia page on its 2000 year tradition in philosophy either
/more sarcasm
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The problem is evil solved?
- Thread starter Ignatius A
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/more sarcasm
In your opinion.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Nope. Bad logic. Omnipotence and omniscience ≠ responsibility.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Should have read absence OF God
There is no evil just like there is no cold.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
In fact. There is no such thing as cold it's just the absence of heat which humans refer to as cold.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, according to my beliefs, and logic, because if all humans followed God's Laws there would be no evil in the world.
That's just how it works, whether you believe in God or not.
Show me where God created any evil, and please don't cite the Old Testament because that does not represent what any God ever did.
It is just a convenient handle for atheists.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
And if someone tortures you there is no harm. It is just all fun and you will ask for more.
You are playing with words. Bad experinces are not non-good. Negatives as feelings are real.
I'll answer your straw man with this...
Stick your finger in a vat of liquid nitrogen, trust me, lack of heat does not come to mind.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah and when you get a freeze injury and it starts to hurt, it is not real.
Good also does not exist. It's the state of absence of needless suffering. Since needless suffering exists, evil is real and good is not real as it's just absence of needless suffering.
Just an example showing that nonsensical wordgames are not the solution.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The OP says: Evil is just a concept that we use the describe the state of being absent from God.
But that is not true. A nonbeliever being absent from God has nothing to do with evil.
If that were so all the prisons would be full of atheists but the data shows that most people in prisons are believers.
You beliefs are irrelevant to the vast majority of the world population.
Logic has nothing to do with which bible (if any) you prefer.
The KJV and others reckons god created evil
Thats how it works, either you believe what you want to believe or not.
I have shown you, the KJV
Nope its a convenient handle for Baháʼí to wriggle out of whatever they don't like
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Wrong. If you can do anything, and you know all the consequences of taking any particular course of action, then, when you take some action, then you do so in the full knowledge of what will happen, then you are responsible for all the consequences, because you could have chosen any other action, with different consequences, or, for that matter, done nothing.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
If the police knew you were going to rob a particular bank, knew the time and means, they would be responsible if they did not stop it.
But that does not mean that if God knew you were going to rob a particular bank, knew the time and means, God would be responsible if God did not stop it. That is because the police are responsible to stop crimes but God is not responsible for stopping crimes.
To claim that God is responsible for stopping crimes would be the fallacy of false equivalence because God is not equivalent to human beings (the police) who are responsible for stopping crimes.
False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[1] A colloquial expression of false equivalency is "comparing apples and oranges".
This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.[2] False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors.
False equivalence - Wikipedia
PureX
Veteran Member
Since when are atheists logical???That's a good one, I'll have to try to remember that.
Atheist argument:
But since God is omnipotent God 'can do anything' so God could have stopped you. Therefore, God is responsible for not stopping you.
My answer: Omnipotence ≠ responsibility. To claim that is drop deal illogical.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
But it is true. Evil is no more real than cold.
Again you equate non belief with evil. No one but you has suggested that.
The number of believers in prison is based on probabilities not beliefs. Hilarious
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
This has NOTHING to do with my Baha'i beliefs. The same truth has been revealed in all the scriptures, including the Bible.
“God hath in that Book, and by His behest, decreed as lawful whatsoever He hath pleased to decree, and hath, through the power of His sovereign might, forbidden whatsoever He elected to forbid. To this testifieth the text of that Book. Will ye not bear witness? Men, however, have wittingly broken His law. Is such a behavior to be attributed to God, or to their proper selves? Be fair in your judgment. Every good thing is of God, and every evil thing is from yourselves. Will ye not comprehend? This same truth hath been revealed in all the Scriptures, if ye be of them that understand.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 149-150
The KJV is only one translation. The fact that only a few translations say God created evil is a good indication that those translations are incorrect.
Isaiah 45:7 - Bible Gateway
Your atheist agenda to make God the one who creates evil using one verse from the Bible (cherry-picking) will not work.
Men create evil. God doesn't do a damn thing except reveal the Books that would eradicate evil from the face of the earth, if people followed God's Laws which are in those Books.
From what i read I think most have got you beat hands down
I Am Hugh
Researcher
I don't see where that would be a stumbling block, it would be confirmation. The problem needs to be defined. What is God and what is evil?
You're dealing with very subjective concepts/constructs. God and evil are subjective.