The problem is evil solved?

[Ignatius A]

How cold is cold. 48°? Celius or Fahrenheit? May be cold to you but not to me. 48° may be cold but -48° is colder. How did you measure it? On a calibrated instrument? What is heat? Friction? What is the room temperature - cold or warm? If the room is cold to you does that mean an absence of heat? How much heat? Just more heat? etc.



The Bible says God created evil. What is the word God, which god? What is evil? According to whom? God is good to some, evil to others.

There is no cold to measure only heat is measured. Thats what temperature measures, the presence of heat. This has been stated numerous times already.

Citation please. Evil is the absence of God. According to me since I started the thread. That may be peoples experiences but not relevant or the topic.

 

[I Am Hugh]

Only in one verse, which has many other translations without the word evil.

Isaiah 45:7 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

Very good. Lots of different words are translated from the Hebrew ra, evil only being one of them, but it is subjective. Telling a child not to play in the street may be evil to a child. Disciplining the child for disobedience is bad, gloomy or calamitous to the child, and it may be unfortunate for the parent to restrict and discipline.

 

[ChristineM]

I will let you know when I see some factual truth.

No, we were discussing whether God created evil.

The bibles i mentioned are factual.

Which mosied on in to ...

Isaiah 45:7

A verse from the bible if i remember rightly

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[Ignatius A]

Very good. Lots of different words are translated from the Hebrew ra, evil only being one of them, but it is subjective. Telling a child not to play in the street may be evil to a child. Disciplining the child for disobedience is bad, gloomy or calamitous to the child, and it may be unfortunate for the parent to restrict and discipline.

Telling a child to not play in the street is not evil even if the child thinks it is. Truth is not determined by individual thoughts or feelings.

 

[I Am Hugh]

There is no cold to measure only heat is measured. Thats what temperature measures, the presence of heat. This has been stated numerous times already.

So?

Citation please.

Isaiah 45:7

Evil is the absence of God. According to me since I started the thread. That may be peoples experiences but not relevant or the topic.

Why is your experience more relevant than anyone else's? Because you started the thread?

 

[ratiocinator]

Since when are atheists logical???

Since you have shown that you know nothing of logic, how can you possibly judge?

Note that I'm not going to fall into silly and illogical generalisations and accuse 'theists' of knowing nothing about logic, just you, from my personal experiences of your inability to use logic.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

If God could do that how do you imagine that would play out in real life?
I mean if God took over and did everything that humans are responsible to do humans would be off the hook for what God wants them to do

I did not say god should take over everything humans are responsible for. I said god, if he can, should stop child rape and starvation.

No, I do not agree because it is not God's responsibility to stop child rape and starvation. It is a human's responsibility.

Ok, I think this is awful.

 

[Ignatius A]

Very good. Lots of different words are translated from the Hebrew ra, evil only being one of them, but it is subjective. Telling a child not to play in the street may be evil to a child. Disciplining the child for disobedience is bad, gloomy or calamitous to the child, and it may be unfortunate for the parent to restrict and discipline.

Telling a child to not play in the street is not evil even if the child thinks it is. Truth is not determined by individual thoughts or feelings.

 

[Ignatius A]

So?



Isaiah 45:7



Why is your experience more relevant than anyone else's? Because you started the thread?

LMBO you should let it go

Depending on the translation it says nothing about evil

Yes.

 

[Trailblazer]

The bibles i mentioned are factual.

Nothing in the Bible is factual since no Bible can ever be proven to be true.

fact
something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information:

fact

1. something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Fact: a thing that is known or proved to be true.

what is a fact - Google Search

 

[I Am Hugh]

LMBO you should let it go

Okay. That's a good strategy for thread participation. I like it anyway. Makes it a great deal easier for me.

Depending on the translation it says nothing about evil

In other words - subjective?

Yes.

Just for fun here, not having a clue to what, I'm going to take up a contrary position and say - no.

 

[ChristineM]

Nothing in the Bible is factual since no Bible can ever be proven to be true.

fact
something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information:

fact

1. something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Fact: a thing that is known or proved to be true.

what is a fact - Google Search

But the fact that the various versions of the bible contain the words
God created evil
Is beyond doubt, it is known to be factual.

 

[Koldo]

I'll assume for the sake of this discussion that you me and we are humans. We (humans) experience cold exist only as a concept in our minds. In the physical world it's only heat that exist. Thats what temperature measures, the presence of heat not cold.

You didn't answer my question: Who describes evil as the state of being absent from God?

Definitely not me, so you are not speaking for me.

 

[Trailblazer]

But the fact that the various versions of the bible contain the words
God created evil
Is beyond doubt, it is known to be factual.

To that I say so what?

 

[I Am Hugh]

Nothing in the Bible is factual since no Bible can ever be proven to be true.

Nothing?

fact
something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information:

fact

1. something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Especially? Not exclusively?

Fact: a thing that is known or proved to be true.

what is a fact - Google Search

Proved? Believed?

 

[Ignatius A]

Okay. That's a good strategy for thread participation. I like it anyway. Makes it a great deal easier for me.



In other words - subjective?



Just for fun here, not having a clue to what, I'm going to take up a contrary position and say - no.

No one is making you participate are they? I am strictly opposed to that.

Not necessarily.

Good for you. I don't need you to agree with me. The fact remains evil exists only in the way cold exist and that is to say in our minds and not the physical world.

 

[ratiocinator]

That is drop dead illogical since it is based on so many assumptions about God, what God can do, etc.
There are enough assumptions in that paragraph to sink a large ocean-liner.

It was always, from my first post, an if-then argument. It started with "If God is the omnipotent, omniscient creator of everything...".

But even if all those assumptions were true, it is still only your personal opinion that God would be responsible. It is not a fact.
God is not responsible for 'taking action' just because God knows what will happen and God has the power to stop it.
That is drop dead illogical.

That's a reasoning-free assertion. I gave you the detail of why I came to that conclusion, where is the flaw, exactly?

What really makes your claims illogical is that you are talking about God as if God was a human being and that is the fallacy of false equivalence because God is not a human being so God does not 'take action.' That is so illogical that it is comical. God does not have behaviors because God is not a human or an animal.

Again, by starting point was "If God is the omnipotent, omniscient creator of everything...". Creation is an action. Other than that, I didn't talk like God was human, humans aren't omnipotent, omniscient creators of everything.

You realise that unargued assertion is a fallacy, right? If you're going to say something is illogical, you need to show your working.

Nothing you've said has actually pointed to a flaw in my chain of reasoning from God being the omnipotent, omniscient creator of everything (premiss), to God being responsible for everything (in its creation).

 

[Ignatius A]

But the fact that the various versions of the bible contain the words
God created evil
Is beyond doubt, it is known to be factual.

Yes it is known to be factual that the word evil is used in various versions of the Bible. I don't disagree. That doesn't change the discussion one bit.

 

[Trailblazer]

Nothing?

Well, maybe some things in the Bible are factual (proven to be true) but the claims about God and Jesus can never be factual.

 

[ChristineM]

To that I say so what?

So fact, thats what