The problem is evil solved?

[Trailblazer]

Then where do you pick your data and what is the difference between picking cherries or anything else, like data. Selection.

I get my data, if you want to call it data, from the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

God is not subject to morality because God is not a person so God is not a moral agent. Only humans are moral agents.

A moral agent is a person who has the ability to discern right from wrong and to be held accountable for his or her own actions. Moral agents have a moral responsibility not to cause unjustified harm.

Moral Agent - Ethics Unwrapped

A Moral Agent is a person who can be held accountable for his or her actions because he or she has the ability to tell right from wrong.

ethicsunwrapped.utexas.edu

Ok, you and I still have better morals than god then.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I’m not seeing the point, here.

Then I don't know what to say. What would you think of me if I let a child be raped when I could have stopped it? That is what I think of a god that does the same thing. Only belief in a god can make people have a hard time answering if child rape should be stopped. Sheesh.

 

[Trailblazer]

Ok, you and I still have better morals than god then.

God does not have morals. Only humans have morals.

To be moral is to be concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.
God has no such concerns because God is not a human...

God is all-knowing so God knows what is right and wrong and good or bad human behavior.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

God does not have morals. Only humans have morals.

To be moral is to be concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.
God has no such concerns because God is not a human...

God is all-knowing so God knows what is right and wrong and good or bad human behavior.

You said this already. Having morals is having better morals than a moraless god who lets children get raped and lets people starve to death when they could prevent it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The presence of evil is a stumbling block to belief for some people because they believe God created evil. What if evil doesnt actually exist? In science temperature measures the presence of heat and the concept of cold is just what we call the absence of heat. Cold doesnt exist is just a state of no heat. Same with evil. Evil is just a concept that we use the describe the state of being absent from God.

Well said.

I don't think the main problem is that evil exists. It's that God does nothing to protect the innocent. Imagine if a teacher is monitoring the playground, and a boy is ruthlessly beating another, pummeling him to the ground and stomping on his head. Now imagine if the teacher did not intervene.

 

[Trailblazer]

You said this already. Having morals is having better morals than a moraless god who lets children get raped and lets people starve to death when they could prevent it.

God is all-good by His very nature, so God is 'more good' than any human could ever be.

To expect God to clean up human messes is rather childish as well as lazy.

 

[ratiocinator]

God is not responsible for 'taking action' just because God is the omnipotent, omniscient creator of everything
There is no logical connection between God being the omnipotent, omniscient creator of everything and God 'taking action.'
That is the flaw in your argument.

This makes no sense at all. A creator creates, creation is a deliberate action ('create' is a verb).

Nothing you've said has explained WHY God being the omnipotent, omniscient creator of everything (premiss) MEANS that God is responsible for everything (in its creation).

I suggest you read my argument again (#54), because all you've is post assertions about it without any actual reasoning.

The fly in the ointment for your argument is that God gave humans free will, and after that God was not responsible for anything that is human caused. God relinquished responsibility for human choices as soon as He gave humans free will.

Free will (in that sense) is logically nonsensical at the best of times, with respect to an omniscient, omnipotent creator, who would effectively choose every aspect of your nature, nurture, and life experiences, it's just a joke.

Regardless, omniscience would allow such a creator to know all the consequences beforehand. If it still went ahead, it is still responsible.

 

[Madsaac]

The presence of evil is a stumbling block to belief for some people because they believe God created evil. What if evil doesnt actually exist? In science temperature measures the presence of heat and the concept of cold is just what we call the absence of heat. Cold doesnt exist is just a state of no heat. Same with evil. Evil is just a concept that we use the describe the state of being absent from God.

Evil is just another word for humans choosing to do 'bad' things. It's part of the human condition, which is a consequence of human evolution.

"Me hungry, me take your food" "Oh no you won't........"

That's all, no need to complicate things with this notion of God. It's just the way we are.

 

[1213]

The presence of evil is a stumbling block to belief for some people because they believe God created evil. What if evil doesnt actually exist? In science temperature measures the presence of heat and the concept of cold is just what we call the absence of heat. Cold doesnt exist is just a state of no heat. Same with evil. Evil is just a concept that we use the describe the state of being absent from God.

I agree, evil is like darkness or emptiness, nothing, it is the lack of good. And it is not a problem, because evil can't destroy our souls.

Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna [hell].
Matt. 10:28

 

[PureX]

Then I don't know what to say. What would you think of me if I let a child be raped when I could have stopped it? That is what I think of a god that does the same thing. Only belief in a god can make people have a hard time answering if child rape should be stopped. Sheesh.

What you don't seem to be grasping in your rush to condemn God is that you have no idea what God is, or what God "sees", or what God could or could not do about anything. So I really don't understand why you're so intent on this completely groundless rush to blame God for what we humans do to each other.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

God is all-good by His very nature, so God is 'more good' than any human could ever be.

To expect God to clean up human messes is rather childish as well as lazy.

Ok, you can insult me all you want but I cannot stop child rape and starvation. God can and chooses not to.

 

[PureX]

Ok, you can insult me all you want but I cannot stop child rape and starvation. God can and chooses not to.

Do you believe that God can but chooses not to?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

What you don't seem to be grasping in your rush to condemn God is that you have no idea what God is, or what God "sees", or what God could or could not do about anything. So I really don't understand why you're so intent on this completely groundless rush to blame God for what we humans do to each other.

Neither does anyone else. Everyone has their own version of god. Is your version of god able to stop child rape or starvation?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Do you believe that God can but chooses not to?

I don't believe god exists. But many do and claim he is all powerful. So that god I do believe chooses not to. What other conclusion is there?

 

[PureX]

Neither does anyone else. Everyone has their own version of god. Is your version of god able to stop child rape or starvation?

I don't have a version of God. I don't even know how a "God" could exist in any way we humans could comprehend.

So why do you want to blame other people's gods, then? I mean, if they believe their God could stop these evils from happening? Their gods aren't even your God.

Why do you care about what a God you don't believe exists isn't doing?

 

[Balthazzar]

The presence of evil is a stumbling block to belief for some people because they believe God created evil. What if evil doesnt actually exist? In science temperature measures the presence of heat and the concept of cold is just what we call the absence of heat. Cold doesnt exist is just a state of no heat. Same with evil. Evil is just a concept that we use the describe the state of being absent from God.

Evil is typically viewed as something bad, detrimental, unfair, harmful, unpleasant, etc. Why can't we simply acknowledge that these things exist in life, are natural, and based on how we process experiences as people? It's not being absent from God. It's being aware of the negative experiences associated with life and awareness.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I don't have a version of God. I don't even know how a "God" could exist in any way we humans could comprehend.

So that is your version of god. This is what you believe about a god.

So why do you want to blame other people's gods, then? I mean, if they believe their God could stop these evils from happening? Their gods aren't even your God.

Why do you care about what a God you don't believe exists isn't doing?

Policy decisions are made by people that believe in a god that negatively affects me and my family. The more people are shown their god is not reasonable or ethical etc. the better society will be in my opinion.

 

[I Am Hugh]

I don't believe god exists. But many do and claim he is all powerful. So that god I do believe chooses not to. What other conclusion is there?

The actual truth according to God? The Bible rather than what many do claim.

 

[PureX]

So that is your version of god. This is what you believe about a god.

I don't believe anything about God. God is a mystery to me.

Policy decisions are made by people that believe in a god that negatively affects me and my family.

Policy decisions are made based on greed and selfishness FAR more often than by anyone's idea of God. Yet I never see you arguing with anyone about the toxic greed of capitalism. Why us that? Those policies effect you and your family FAR more than anyone's religious convictions.

The more people are shown their god is not reasonable or ethical etc. the better society will be in my opinion.

When was the last time you showed anyone anything about God? You don't even believe that God exists, based on nothing but your own bias against religion. So why would anyone listen to you about a God you don't even believe exists?

I respect the fact that you admit you know nothing of God. None of us do. But not your blind presumption that God doesn't exist. Because that's just your own bias talking.