The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[CMike]

hee, hee, still its a Temple is it not.

Yeah, but it has nothing to do with the prophesy.

 

[CMike]

Originally Posted by CMike
That too.

I want to add that the jews had one of the worst times in their history when jesus was around. That is the complete opposite of the messianic prophesies.

And before you say it, 2nd coming is a christian concept. It has nothing to do with the jewish messiah.

All of these things happened through the Essenes for a short time, the real Yisrael and land of Yisrael is above, not below. THERE all things are accomplished. Things within the corporeal realm are mere shadows and types of the true things which exist. It would seem, however, that according to your reasoning, that there will be at some point another Messiah (who will be false) that you will accept, and these things might well be accomplished. I do not think you should hold your breath however. It might take some time. False teachers always come later as it is written. It is funny though how people keep wishing to see everything accomplished on earth. I guess it is because we are in a physical body, it binds us to such thoughts, but they are not the reality to come.

Extremely creative, but it has nothing to do with the prohesies.

Why don't you try and show that in the context of each and every single prophesy that we cited.

You can't.

 

[CMike]

I would not call myself Christian, nor my own rendition of the Bible as that either. But I never said it had authority over Judaism. One cannot ignore the OT as this is where the NT comes from, both reveal the Mashiyach that you are still waiting for.
And we do not twist anything, we see it in its true meaning, at least sometimes I hope. We all have our own interpretations, it should not be necessarily be seen as twisted. I'm looking at the 613 commands at the moment, and there is in that many verses which are twisted to the point of not being recognisable.

Why do you not keep all the law anyway now? Is it the Temple?

Really? Why don't you enlighten which laws are twisted to the point that they are unrecognizable?

Christians intentionally go into the Torah and twist and pervert it to make it fit into their beliefs. It doesn't work.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Since G-D said that his covenant with the jews will last forever there is no such thing.

Also G-D stated in the Torah not to add nor subtract from the Torah.

Heck even jesus said not to change one iota of jewish law.

There is no such word as "forever" in the Bible Old or New, Jewish or Christian.

The law was not going to change until "everything was fulfilled". It was on the cross. That is why we now are under a new covenant where we understand better how the laws should be interpreted. Your laws are carnal and of the world. Ours are spiritual and of the Almighty

 

[Robert.Evans]

Originally Posted by CMike
That too.

I want to add that the jews had one of the worst times in their history when jesus was around. That is the complete opposite of the messianic prophesies.

And before you say it, 2nd coming is a christian concept. It has nothing to do with the jewish messiah.




Extremely creative, but it has nothing to do with the prohesies.

Why don't you try and show that in the context of each and every single prophesy that we cited.

You can't.

I could, but that would take time, and it is to do with the Essenes in a worldly way, and then in a permanent way, in the Heavens, which obviously I can't show. Your argument is like atheist Dawkins who asks for "evidence" (meaning proof) and knowing full well no one can show God. His argument is foolproof; how is one to argue it? Yours is the same, carnal. Sorry, it is the way it is. You have your role to fulfil I have mine

 

[Robert.Evans]

Yeah, but it has nothing to do with the prophesy.

You wish for a third Temple that stands into the aeons, into 'distant time'. It stands.

 

[CMike]

I could, but that would take time, and it is to do with the Essenes in a worldly way, and then in a permanent way, in the Heavens, which obviously I can't show. Your argument is like atheist Dawkins who asks for "evidence" (meaning proof) and knowing full well no one can show God. His argument is foolproof; how is one to argue it? Yours is the same, carnal. Sorry, it is the way it is. You have your role to fulfil I have mine

The context is available.

You can go line by line and analyze the context.

You are the one making the extremely creative assumptions.

 

[CMike]

You wish for a third Temple that stands into the aeons, into 'distant time'. It stands.

The messianic prophesy in Ezekiel 37 is that the temple in jerusalem will be rebuilt and stand forever.

It has nothing to do with what I wish.

It's the prophesy.

 

[RabbiO]

That is why we now are under a new covenant where we understand better how the laws should be interpreted. Your laws are carnal and of the world. Ours are spiritual and of the Almighty

I'm sorry, sir, but if you wish to insult Jews, Judaism, Jewish scripture and the ability of Jews to read and interpret their own scripture, you'll have to take a number and go to the back of the line.

We inadvertently overbooked, but we'll get to you as soon as possible.

 

[2ndpillar]

That's rather silly since all Jewish law comes from the 5 Books of Moses from G-d

Jewish prophets only prophesied they didn't change or alter Jewish law.

Since Jewish law comes from G-d, Jesus had no authority to change it.

Dear Mike,
A little defensive are we? Jeremiah 8:8 was written before the testimony of Yeshua was given. Besides a prophet like unto Moses was prophesized in Dt 18:15 who "you should listen to".

Of course you always have your traditions which have traditionally been learned by rote, which resulted in "the wisdom of their wise men shall perish". (Isaiah 13-14)

As for changes in the Law, I think your have confused the testimony of the Pharisee Paul, with that of Yeshua.

As for the Laws of God, they are interpreted by the judges, which have not been restored to "as at the first", which won't happen until I "turn my hand against you and will smelt away your dross as with lye," (Isaiah 1:25-26)

 

[paarsurrey]

The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW


Bible confirms that it has been corrupted:


Jeremiah - Chapter 8:8-9
8. How do you say, "We are wise, and the Law of the Lord is with us"? Verily, behold it is in vain, he made a false scribes' pen.
9. Wise men were ashamed, they were broken and caught; behold they rejected the word of the Lord, now what wisdom have they?

Yirmiyahu - Chapter 8 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

Regards

 

[CMike]

The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW


Bible confirms that it has been corrupted:


Jeremiah - Chapter 8:8-9
8. How do you say, "We are wise, and the Law of the Lord is with us"? Verily, behold it is in vain, he made a false scribes' pen.
9. Wise men were ashamed, they were broken and caught; behold they rejected the word of the Lord, now what wisdom have they?

Yirmiyahu - Chapter 8 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

Regards

Care to guess who the false scribes were? Christians.

The Torah comes from G-D, and the prophets were written by the individual prophet.

 

[CMike]

There is no such word as "forever" in the Bible Old or New, Jewish or Christian.

The law was not going to change until "everything was fulfilled". It was on the cross. That is why we now are under a new covenant where we understand better how the laws should be interpreted. Your laws are carnal and of the world. Ours are spiritual and of the Almighty

1) The laws were fulfilled when the laws were kept.

There is absolutely nothing anywhere in the Torah where G-D says that all the laws are null and void because jesus was executed by the romans.

Not one.

2) It says the convenent was perpetual, it was from generation to generation.

3) It also says that G-D will always take back the jews.

 

[paarsurrey]

Care to guess who the false scribes were? Christians.

The Torah comes from G-D, and the prophets were written by the individual prophet.

I quoted from the Jewish Bible. Jeremiah came much before Jesus or Christians .

Regards

 

[CMike]

I quoted from the Jewish Bible. Jeremiah came much before Jesus or Christians .

Regards

Prophets prophesied about the future. That's why they were called prophets.

 

[Desert Snake]

Care to guess who the false scribes were? Christians.

The Torah comes from G-D, and the prophets were written by the individual prophet.

Christians value the entire Tanakh equally. The religions are not on the same page, here. The Tora Tanakh is Christian as well, indicated by our valuement system.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I'm sorry, sir, but if you wish to insult Jews, Judaism, Jewish scripture and the ability of Jews to read and interpret their own scripture, you'll have to take a number and go to the back of the line.

We inadvertently overbooked, but we'll get to you as soon as possible.

Well sir, when Jews say that Yahshuah was not the Mashiyach, I would say that sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander; so don't do the hard luck stories, eh.

 

[metis]

Christians value the entire Tanakh equally. The religions are not on the same page, here. The Tora Tanakh is Christian as well, indicated by our valuement system.

Torah and Tanakh are pre-Christian and were written for Jews by Jews and are not viewed equally because both the Covenant and the Law applies to us.

 

[paarsurrey]

Prophets prophesied about the future. That's why they were called prophets.

Not exactly.

Prophets tell us news or information not previously known to someone; that which pertains to the realm of unseen. It may belong to past, present or future; as they get it from the One-True-God, Knower of the unseen and the seen:

"And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in accordance with the requirements of wisdom; and the day He says, ‘Be!’, it will be. His word is the truth, and His will be the kingdom on the day when the trumpet will be blown. He is the Knower of the unseen and the seen. And He is the Wise, the All-Aware."

Regards

 

[Desert Snake]

Torah and Tanakh are pre-Christian and were written for Jews by Jews and are not viewed equally because both the Covenant and the Law applies to us.

Christianity values the entire Tanakh equally, it necessitates importance.