The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[Porque77]

1. The Torah states that G-d cannot not take any form.:

"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and live" (Exodus 33:18-20)

"You did not see any form on the day G-d spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of fire" (Deuteronomy 4:15)

No one saw God before, but God became Man. So Jesus made ​​known to God:

"No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him". (John 1:18)

As little as we may know about G-d's nature, Judaism has always believed that G-d is Incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. G-d is Eternal, He is Infinite; above time and beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die.

God can do whatever He wants because He is THE ALMIGHTY.

And the prophets said that Jesus Christ was God, born as a child:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this". (Isaiah 9:6-7)

Therefore, the Law of Jesus Christ is the Only true Law of God, the Law that God had really given to Moses:

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)

And Jesus also teaches to a rich man, the precepts of the Law (Matthew 19: 16-22)

 

[Avi1001]

Porque, I can't bring myself to read much of your stuff. Are you a Christian or Muslim ? I think you are a fundy Christian, right?

 

[paarsurrey]

CMike, our Ahmadian friend Paar is saying that "scribes" like Moses were corrupt while "prophets" like Mohamnad were
perfect

I never said that.

I never wrote that Moses was corrupt.

Did I ?

Regards

 

[CMike]

No one saw God before, but God became Man. So Jesus made ​​known to God:

"No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him". (John 1:18)

"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and live" (Exodus 33:18-20)



Either way you cut it G-D stated that you can't see him and live. Since people didn't die seeing jesus, he was not god or a god.

God can do whatever He wants because He is THE ALMIGHTY.

That's true. However, G-D doesn't lie.

If he says that you can't see him and live, he means it.

And the prophets said that Jesus Christ was God, born as a child:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this". (Isaiah 9:6-7)

Therefore, the Law of Jesus Christ is the Only true Law of God, the Law that God had really given to Moses:

You got that wrong too. The actual text says.

Yeshayahu - Chapter 9 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

5. For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."



The person referred to in Isaiah is Hezekiah, who was Ahaz's son.

Also if you actually care about the context, it says that the child was already born. This is another proof that it can't be jesus. Hezekiah will be a righteous man it goes on to say and that peace will be in his days.



It's rather hypocritical how you call jewish scriptures lies and yet you pervert them to try and make them fit your beliefs.

 

[CMike]

It is very simple.

You mentioned:

Moses was human. He made mistakes.

I wanted to know if Moses made any mistake in the verses:

Deuteronomy - Chapter 31:9,24,26-29 quoted by me earlier from the Jewish Bible .

Not many verses; you may check them and tell one if Moses made any mistake in them.

If you cannot or don't want to; somebody else, a Jew or a Christian, may answer, please.

Regards

There are no mistakes in the Torah.

 

[paarsurrey]

"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and live" (Exodus 33:18-20)



Either way you cut it G-D stated that you can't see him and live. Since people didn't die seeing jesus, he was not god or a god.





That's true. However, G-D doesn't lie.

If he says that you can't see him and live, he means it.

I appreciate your argument. It is correct.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

There are no mistakes in the Torah.

You stated :

Moses was human. He made mistakes.

How would you reconcile the above ?

Regards

 

[CMike]

You stated :



How would you reconcile the above ?

Regards

Easy.

The Commandments in the Torah were dictated from G-d

 

[Robert.Evans]

"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and live" (Exodus 33:18-20)



Either way you cut it G-D stated that you can't see him and live. Since people didn't die seeing jesus, he was not god or a god.





That's true. However, G-D doesn't lie.

If he says that you can't see him and live, he means it.





You got that wrong too. The actual text says.

Yeshayahu - Chapter 9 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

5. For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."



The person referred to in Isaiah is Hezekiah, who was Ahaz's son.

Also if you actually care about the context, it says that the child was already born. This is another proof that it can't be jesus. Hezekiah will be a righteous man it goes on to say and that peace will be in his days.



It's rather hypocritical how you call jewish scriptures lies and yet you pervert them to try and make them fit your beliefs.

And yet even if his face was not seen, he was still seen. So how? And if Yahshuah has God within him, and is part of him, what is so bad about saying he is the son of God. Even we are called that, even early Yisrael was called that. How did he see his back parts, feet, eat with him.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Easy.

The Commandments in the Torah were dictated from G-d

But if Mosheh can make mistakes then the Torah could be in error as he wrote it down and he can make mistakes, you said as much yourself. Anyways, how does God write on the tablets in the first place?

 

[Desert Snake]

But if Mosheh can make mistakes then the Torah could be in error as he wrote it down and he can make mistakes, you said as much yourself. Anyways, how does God write on the tablets in the first place?

Almost irrelevant. The ten commandments are 'given', the rest of the laws are compiled. Regardless of possible human error, the existence of the Torah does not negate the NT, that is ridiculous, basically.

 

[jimniki]

But if Mosheh can make mistakes then the Torah could be in error as he wrote it down and he can make mistakes, you said as much yourself. Anyways, how does God write on the tablets in the first place?

With a chisel and a hammer! haven't you seen the movie!...

This is what really happened.
Moses was a business man
He was CEO of Mt Sinai Pty Ltd
Most on his payroll were lazy, stole, lied, wasted time screwing around.
So Moses went up to the top floor, whipped up some writing on a couple of tablets (no android jokes please, I'm trying to be serious) and came down, called a meeting and put the fear of god into anyone who breaks these divine laws (Which happen to suit him perfectly ...what a beautiful co-incidence))

And everyone was happy ... I've got a tear in my eye now....

 

[Robert.Evans]

Almost irrelevant. The ten commandments are 'given', the rest of the laws are compiled. Regardless of possible human error, the existence of the Torah does not negate the NT, that is ridiculous, basically.

"Given" by God, one would assume? You think the others are not "given"? Where did they come from then.

Which Ten Words are you speaking of?

"compiled"? Without God you mean?

Who said the existence of the Torah negates the NT?

 

[Robert.Evans]

With a chisel and a hammer! haven't you seen the movie!...

This is what really happened.
Moses was a business man
He was CEO of Mt Sinai Pty Ltd
Most on his payroll were lazy, stole, lied, wasted time screwing around.
So Moses went up to the top floor, whipped up some writing on a couple of tablets (no android jokes please, I'm trying to be serious) and came down, called a meeting and put the fear of god into anyone who breaks these divine laws (Which happen to suit him perfectly ...what a beautiful co-incidence))

And everyone was happy ... I've got a tear in my eye now....

hee hee, ...but how did Mosheh do it if it was written by the "finger of God"?

 

[jimniki]

It never was! That's a preposterous proposition. I just told you the "real" truth. It is more plausible because it has motive ... no co-incidences here ...

What have you got to lose by accepting this truth!
You're then not chasing fairy tales and you are still a good person.
In fact it makes you an even better person because you are being good for the sake of being good, not because of fear of a god or any other motives about going to heaven...

It's a scary first step, but it's also very liberating...

 

[Susanpalli,JW]

The scribes and Pharisees had their own rules in addition to the sacred writings. That is what is called tradition of men. They went beyond what God's word contained. Jesus condemned them for this.

The Dead Sea scrolls prove that man has not altered the original text of Isaiah.
If God is almighty, can't He also preserve His word.

The fulfillment of Bible Prophecy proves that point.

Check out Matthew chapter 24 to see what prophecies are being fulfilled in our day if you wish.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The laws in the Torah were dictated from G-D so there were no mistakes, it's perfect.

Moses was human. He made mistakes.

The prophets were human as well.

That said, once again, the laws were dictated from G-D, so they are perfect.

That doesn't mean everything the prophets wrote is perfect. It doesn't mean all the prophets agree with each other, either. They could have disagreed on some things. I don't think disagreement would exclude them from being included as prophets. The opening post doesn't make sense on that basis.

 

[The Adept]

An the translators have concocted a fraud.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Translation is itself a liar, and camel jokes don't work in English.

 

[Desert Snake]

"Given" by God, one would assume? You think the others are not "given"? Where did they come from then.

huh..

Which Ten Words are you speaking of?

ten commandments

"compiled"? Without God you mean?

no, but written by man.

Who said the existence of the Torah negates the NT?

The pink unicorn.