The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[CMike]

Almost irrelevant. The ten commandments are 'given', the rest of the laws are compiled. Regardless of possible human error, the existence of the Torah does not negate the NT, that is ridiculous, basically.

Actually 613 commandments were given.

The ten "commandments" are categories of the rest of the laws.

 

[CMike]

"Given" by God, one would assume? You think the others are not "given"? Where did they come from then.

Which Ten Words are you speaking of?

"compiled"? Without God you mean?

Who said the existence of the Torah negates the NT?

G-D.

Dvarim Chapter 13

1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.

 

[CMike]

The scribes and Pharisees had their own rules in addition to the sacred writings. That is what is called tradition of men. They went beyond what God's word contained. Jesus condemned them for this.

The Dead Sea scrolls prove that man has not altered the original text of Isaiah.
If God is almighty, can't He also preserve His word.

The fulfillment of Bible Prophecy proves that point.

Check out Matthew chapter 24 to see what prophecies are being fulfilled in our day if you wish.

Wow, that's rather messed up.

The Torah is the five books of Moses. All jewish laws comes from these books.

Prophets just prophesized, they created no new laws.

The five books of Moses are perfect, and have not been altered.

In fact the original was placed in a special place so if someone tried to change the Torah it could be compared to the original.

Also, Isaiah and no other jewish prophets has anything to do with christianity and/or jesus.

 

[paarsurrey]

CMike wrote in post #1105 about Deuteronomy - Chapter 31:9, 24, 26-29

There are no mistakes in the Torah.

And the verses Deuteronomy - Chapter 31:9, 24, 26-29 are:

9. Then Moses wrote this Torah, and gave it to the priests, the descendants of Levi, who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and to all the elders of Israel.
24. And it was, when Moses finished writing the words of this Torah in a scroll, until their very completion,
26. "Take this Torah scroll and place it along side the ark of covenant of the Lord, your God, and it will be there as a witness.
27. For I know your rebellious spirit and your stubbornness. Even while I am alive with you today you are rebelling against the Lord, and surely after my death!
28. Assemble to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, and I will speak these words into their ears, and I will call upon the heaven and the earth as witnesses against them.
29. For I know that after my death, you will surely become corrupted, and deviate from the way which I had commanded you. Consequently, the evil will befall you at the end of days, because you did evil in the eyes of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.

Deuteronomy - Chapter 31 (Parshah Vayelech) - Tanakh Online - Torah – Bible

That confirmed as per Moses and Torah, ark of covenant and heaven and earth stood as witness that Jews were rebellious and stubborn people and would remain as such:

1. For I (Moses) know your (the Jews) rebellious spirit and your stubbornness. Even while I am alive with you today you are rebelling against the Lord, and surely after my death!
2. Jews “will surely become corrupted”
3. Jews will “deviate from the way which I had commanded you”
4. Jews will “provoke Him (G-d) to anger through the work of your (their) hands.

It is a prophesy of Moses that the narrator and scribes of Torah would get corrupted and would corrupt the scriptures; later Isaiah (vide Chapter 24:1-6) and Jeremiah (vide Chapter 8:8-9) only confirmed fulfillment of what Moses had prophesied.

Jews should not doubt it; if they doubt they only show that they are stubborn and rebel against G-d and have deviated from the way commanded by Moses and they provoke anger of G-d.

Regards

 

[Robert.Evans]

huh..


ten commandments


no, but written by man.



The pink unicorn.

unhelpful answers. "Ten Words" means "ten commandments". Ex20 or Ex34? If you want the real ones, then it has to be 34. As for the other answers, I don't think they were

 

[Robert.Evans]

Actually 613 commandments were given.

The ten "commandments" are categories of the rest of the laws.

That's debatable as to how many

 

[Robert.Evans]

Wow, that's rather messed up.

The Torah is the five books of Moses. All jewish laws comes from these books.

Prophets just prophesized, they created no new laws.

The five books of Moses are perfect, and have not been altered.

In fact the original was placed in a special place so if someone tried to change the Torah it could be compared to the original.

Also, Isaiah and no other jewish prophets has anything to do with christianity and/or jesus.

You think that the Torah is dictated then? Most scholars think that it is written by more than one writer, which seems fairly obvious when Mosheh is supposed to be commenting in books when he is already dead.

What is Dvarim Chapter 13

 

[Desert Snake]

Actually 613 commandments were given.

The ten "commandments" are categories of the rest of the laws.

Nope, the other commandments were given separately. That's why we only have two 'tablets' in the narrative.

Just Ten Commandments.

Heck, that's why we call them the "Ten Commandments".

 

[metis]

If one opens up Exodus and read about the giving of the Decalogue, keep reading as the next chapters get into what God told Moses to teach when he got down from Mt. Sinai. And to make it easier, here's the 613 Commandments and where they're found in Torah:Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

 

[paarsurrey]

You think that the Torah is dictated then? Most scholars think that it is written by more than one writer, which seems fairly obvious when Mosheh is supposed to be commenting in books when he is already dead.

What is Dvarim Chapter 13

I agree with you.

Moses did not write the Torah that has reached us.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Wow, that's rather messed up.

The Torah is the five books of Moses. All jewish laws comes from these books.

Prophets just prophesized, they created no new laws.

The five books of Moses are perfect, and have not been altered.

In fact the original was placed in a special place so if someone tried to change the Torah it could be compared to the original.

Also, Isaiah and no other jewish prophets has anything to do with christianity and/or jesus.

So; where is that place where the original Torah is kept for comparison purposes ?
To resolve the issue; one could compare the Torah that has reached our hands with the original.

Please enlighten us.

Regards

 

[Avi1001]

To resolve the issue; one could compare the Torah that has reached our hands with the original.

This assertion resolves nothing. Have you studied the alphabet soup ?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Jews should not doubt it; if they doubt they only show that they are stubborn and rebel against G-d and have deviated from the way commanded by Moses and they provoke anger of G-d.

The unfairness of this statement is breathtaking. Anyone who read Deuteronomy would know that.

 

[paarsurrey]

Have you studied the alphabet soup ?

I don't get you.
Please elaborate.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

The unfairness of this statement is breathtaking. Anyone who read Deuteronomy would know that.

Please give detail of what you say.

Regards

 

[RabbiO]

Jews should not doubt it; if they doubt they only show that they are stubborn and rebel against G-d and have deviated from the way commanded by Moses and they provoke anger of G-d.

Your contempt for Jews, for Judaism, for Jewish scripture becomes ever more clear.

Your refusal to answer my questions regarding Jeremiah and Isaiah only serve to illustrate that you don't know what you're talking about.

And then we come to your arrogance, as a Muslim, in telling Jews how to be Jews.

Hiding behind a Uriah Heep facade is not going to work any more. You've said too much.

 

[metis]

Your contempt for Jews, for Judaism, for Jewish scripture becomes ever more clear.

Your refusal to answer my questions regarding Jeremiah and Isaiah only serve to illustrate that you don't know what you're talking about.

And then we come to your arrogance, as a Muslim, in telling Jews how to be Jews.

Hiding behind a Uriah Heep facade is not going to work any more. You've said too much.

Don't feel bad as he also avoided my repeated questions dealing even with the Qur'an.

 

[Desert Snake]

If one opens up Exodus and read about the giving of the Decalogue, keep reading as the next chapters get into what God told Moses to teach when he got down from Mt. Sinai. And to make it easier, here's the 613 Commandments and where they're found in Torah:Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

Oops, bummer.

 

[CMike]

CMike wrote in post #1105 about Deuteronomy - Chapter 31:9, 24, 26-29



And the verses Deuteronomy - Chapter 31:9, 24, 26-29 are:

9. Then Moses wrote this Torah, and gave it to the priests, the descendants of Levi, who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and to all the elders of Israel.
24. And it was, when Moses finished writing the words of this Torah in a scroll, until their very completion,
26. "Take this Torah scroll and place it along side the ark of covenant of the Lord, your God, and it will be there as a witness.
27. For I know your rebellious spirit and your stubbornness. Even while I am alive with you today you are rebelling against the Lord, and surely after my death!
28. Assemble to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, and I will speak these words into their ears, and I will call upon the heaven and the earth as witnesses against them.
29. For I know that after my death, you will surely become corrupted, and deviate from the way which I had commanded you. Consequently, the evil will befall you at the end of days, because you did evil in the eyes of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.

Deuteronomy - Chapter 31 (Parshah Vayelech) - Tanakh Online - Torah – Bible

That confirmed as per Moses and Torah, ark of covenant and heaven and earth stood as witness that Jews were rebellious and stubborn people and would remain as such:

1. For I (Moses) know your (the Jews) rebellious spirit and your stubbornness. Even while I am alive with you today you are rebelling against the Lord, and surely after my death!
2. Jews “will surely become corrupted”
3. Jews will “deviate from the way which I had commanded you”
4. Jews will “provoke Him (G-d) to anger through the work of your (their) hands.

It is a prophesy of Moses that the narrator and scribes of Torah would get corrupted and would corrupt the scriptures; later Isaiah (vide Chapter 24:1-6) and Jeremiah (vide Chapter 8:8-9) only confirmed fulfillment of what Moses had prophesied.

Jews should not doubt it; if they doubt they only show that they are stubborn and rebel against G-d and have deviated from the way commanded by Moses and they provoke anger of G-d.

Regards

And usually the jews got in deep trouble for idol worship such as worshipping jesus.

 

[Desert Snake]

And usually the jews got in deep trouble for idol worship such as worshipping jesus.

Sure doesn't sound like freedom of religion!