The reasons why Islamic women wear the Veil

[ametist]

I disagree here.

Muhammad peace be upon him is a prophet and all prophets lives up the message they were here for. He used to live Quraan in every second. His wife said if you want to see the Quraan walking look at him.

The chain of narrations of hadith is the same as the chain of narrations of the Quraan. I dont belive that when it came to hadith they started lying.

They were honest in the hadith the same way they were about the Quraan.

There are many ayah in quran clarifying that muhammed's role is to transmit the message of quran only. After jesus experience, god made that part pretty clear that he is only a prophet and a human like us. thats why also he isnt given any miracles other than quran. quran even tallks about some faults of muhammed as the conext evolves during the coming of ayahs.(his excessive worrying that people are not obeying etc) if you read quran you understand muhammed could make miskates. god warned him in the quran is the reason to show that.also people, after his death trying to remember his words to attribute those words to muhammed, can turn out to be big big mistakes. but there is no mistake in quran.
I have no doubt while he was living he was one of the best examples of muslims in his heart or in his practice. But taking hadith as a reliable source has some problematics of its own far beyond this fact.

 

[outhouse]

After jesus experience, god made that part pretty clear that he is only a prophet and a human like us.

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How did he do that??? See this is not a historical statement, it is apologetic in nature, faith based. You cannot use faith for history.


Did he talk in a rumbling voice in front of a large crowd for all to hear???

No


Oh so your saying some scribe write down that god said Would this be the same scribe that plagiarized all the mythology in the bible???


If a god told you anything we need to look at your sources, and the only source you have made historical errors. Do you really want to tell me god felt like telling you all the Israelite factual historical errors?


The point, your book has no Israelite historicity, had a god inspired anything at all in your books, maybe he could have been historically accurate Instead, we see historical errors plagiarized.

 

[ametist]

How did he do that??? See this is not a historical statement, it is apologetic in nature, faith based. You cannot use faith for history.


Did he talk in a rumbling voice in front of a large crowd for all to hear???

No


Oh so your saying some scribe write down that god said Would this be the same scribe that plagiarized all the mythology in the bible???


If a god told you anything we need to look at your sources, and the only source you have made historical errors. Do you really want to tell me god felt like telling you all the Israelite factual historical errors?


The point, your book has no Israelite historicity, had a god inspired anything at all in your books, maybe he could have been historically accurate Instead, we see historical errors plagiarized.

of course it is faith based. I am in a religious forum..actually the website is named exactly that religiousforum.com.

That's my history here. what's yours?

 

[Sabour]

You're missing the point. Nuns do not represent the female Catholic laity. Monasticism is a separate vocation and their lifestyles are much different from the lifestyle of the laity. The habit represents their separateness from the world and their religious consecration. It's a sort of uniform, an outward sign of their vocation as religious sisters. Nuns are also considered to be wedded to Christ and many of them wear wedding bands to symbolize that. The reasons for them to wear it aren't because of sexuality, as you are saying the reason for Muslim women covering up is. Islam does not believe in asceticism so you should not be trying to draw parallels where they don't belong. Lay Catholic women are not required to cover themselves and most don't.

Question: Why do nuns wear a "habit"?
Answer: A "habit" tells who the nuns are. Nuns are women of prayer who have dedicated themselves to a life of prayer, penance and sacrifice. They do not keep to themselves the fruit of their contemplation, but share it with others. The nuns accept with gratitude people who come to them for prayers for through them they are fulfilling their mission of bringing to God the needs of the suffering world. So a "religious habit" is a visible manifestation for people to know and see that nuns are giving and sharing their lives for others for the salvation of the world and for God's glory.
Why Do Nuns Wear A Habit | The Monastery of the Angels Cloistered Dominican Nuns

Religious habit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And muslim women do that because Allah asks them to do so. And this is obedience to God.

What I am trying to do is link it to the reasons why women would do so.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And muslim women do that because Allah asks them to do so. And this is obedience to God.

What I am trying to do is link it to the reasons why women would do so.

The reasons are not the same and you really should drop it because it's not going to get you anywhere.

 

[Estro Felino]

And muslim women do that because Allah asks them to do so. And this is obedience to God.

What I am trying to do is link it to the reasons why women would do so.

It's from the very beginning of this thread that I say that wearing the veil is a choice that must be respected.
I don't care why Muslim women do so. Because they are free to do whatever they want.
But nobody can force them to do it. Not even their husbands

 

[Sabour]

I'm a Christian, not a Jew. We follow Christ, not the Mosaic Law.

the true followers of Jesus, holding on to his teachings, did not let unclean food such as pork enter their mouths, so that Peter, the chief disciple, can say, “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean” (Acts of the Apostles, ch. 10, v. 14)

 

[Sabour]

There are many ayah in quran clarifying that muhammed's role is to transmit the message of quran only. After jesus experience, god made that part pretty clear that he is only a prophet and a human like us. thats why also he isnt given any miracles other than quran. quran even tallks about some faults of muhammed as the conext evolves during the coming of ayahs.(his excessive worrying that people are not obeying etc) if you read quran you understand muhammed could make miskates. god warned him in the quran is the reason to show that.also people, after his death trying to remember his words to attribute those words to muhammed, can turn out to be big big mistakes. but there is no mistake in quran.
I have no doubt while he was living he was one of the best examples of muslims in his heart or in his practice. But taking hadith as a reliable source has some problematics of its own far beyond this fact.

I disagree here with you on some points.

There are points worth knowing in your post and I am really impressed as many muslims don't have the knowledge about Islam that you are demonstrating.

The point of Muhammad peace be upon him making some mistakes is for is to know that we are all humans and we all make mistakes and we must always repent.

It is mentioned in the Quraan more than once, obey Allah, and obey the messenger.

33:21 There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.

Please I hope you would watch a video on youtube for yusuf estes called authority of hadith

It is a bit long but I think it would be worth it..

I hope you watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPiV0_-0RU

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

the true followers of Jesus, holding on to his teachings, did not let unclean food such as pork enter their mouths, so that Peter, the chief disciple, can say, “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean” (Acts of the Apostles, ch. 10, v. 14)

Jesus then told Peter to kill and eat the "unclean" animals. Don't try to teach me about my own religion. It's very rude.

 

[Sabour]

The reasons are not the same and you really should drop it because it's not going to get you anywhere.

That may be true regarding what I was writing regarding Men and Women... But to the closeness to God, that is true for sure.


Just like the view of catholic nuns you argued for.

 

[Sabour]

Jesus then told Peter to kill and eat the "unclean" animals. Don't try to teach me about my own religion. It's very rude.

Just a question.

Have you read the whole bible yourself? I mean from chapter 1 till the end?

 

[Sabour]

It's from the very beginning of this thread that I say that wearing the veil is a choice that must be respected.

Good to know that

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Just a question.

Have you read the whole bible yourself? I mean from chapter 1 till the end?

Even if you do read the entire Bible, you can still interpret it incorrectly. What matters is that it is read properly.

 

[TheGunShoj]

Again there is a dress code for men and they should cover what should be covered.

And this is not the only reason why muslim women wear Hijab. It is also to protect them because women are precious. Besides it is purer for her heart so she won't get carried away behind her emotions and desires.

Allah doesn't only ask you to keep the commandments. He also gives you a way in doing so

Question. How does a women covering up suppress emotions and desires? These garbs you posted all seem to cover the ears, the hair and the neck. If those are places that "need to be covered" then why don't men need to cover them also?

When you say "parts that need to be covered" I assume you mean breasts and genitals. But apparently the women are required to cover much more than that when men are not. Why? You keep saying that men have a dress code too but it is not an equally restrictive dress code.

 

[Sabour]

Even if you do read the entire Bible, you can still interpret it incorrectly. What matters is that it is read properly.

I didn't read it all, I am not saying that I did.

Am only asking you if you did.

There are parts in the bible that are not to be discussed in public. I am sure if you read your bible you would find things you never heard about, that was my whole point

 

[Sabour]

Question. How does a women covering up suppress emotions and desires? These garbs you posted all seem to cover the ears, the hair and the neck. If those are places that "need to be covered" then why don't men need to cover them also?

When you say "parts that need to be covered" I assume you mean breasts and genitals. But apparently the women are required to cover much more than that when men are not. Why? You keep saying that men have a dress code too but it is not an equally restrictive dress code.

I dont mean only what you mentioned.

Men pay attention to much more details

 

[TheGunShoj]

I dont mean only what you mentioned.

Men pay attention to much more details

That doesn't really answer the question. So do women not notice these things about men?

 

[outhouse]

I dont mean only what you mentioned.

Men pay attention to much more details

Does this mean men are barabaric animals so we must hide are women from them?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I didn't read it all, I am not saying that I did.

Am only asking you if you did.

There are parts in the bible that are not to be discussed in public. I am sure if you read your bible you would find things you never heard about, that was my whole point

Christians are still allowed to eat pork.

 

[Sabour]

That doesn't really answer the question. So do women not notice these things about men?

From navel to the knee.